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The result was keep. The consensus seems to be keep, & lllok for further sources for material. DGG ( talk ) 03:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The only claim to notability is having been the coach for the British judo team. That doesn't seem to meet WP:NSPORTS and I don't see sources to meet WP:GNG. Astudent0 (talk) 17:41, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep If being coach of the national team of a large country in a major sport doesn't meet WP:NSPORTS then the problem is with that guideline, not with this article. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:00, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I would hesitate to call judo "a major sport" in England or the U.S. Papaursa (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The article did have another claim of notability as national team captain before the nominator (as allowed for unsourced material) deleted the claim, so the nomination rationale is rather economical with the truth. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- My google search didn't find support for that, but if you have sources then I'd be happy to see that item in the article. I don't consider it misleading to follow WP:V. I've removed unsourced "world champion" claims in other articles for the same reason. Astudent0 (talk) 22:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It wasn't misleading for you to remove the claim from the article, as I already acknowledged in my comment above, but it certainly was misleading for you to say, with the word "only", that that claim hadn't been made. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- If I may mediate, I'd suggest that the nom should have added the word "supported", as in "the only supported claim". Papaursa (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It wasn't misleading for you to remove the claim from the article, as I already acknowledged in my comment above, but it certainly was misleading for you to say, with the word "only", that that claim hadn't been made. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- My google search didn't find support for that, but if you have sources then I'd be happy to see that item in the article. I don't consider it misleading to follow WP:V. I've removed unsourced "world champion" claims in other articles for the same reason. Astudent0 (talk) 22:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep I found no evidence to show he was British team captain and I'm not convinced that being a national judo team coach is sufficient for notability. However, my research leads me to believe he passes WP:MANOTE on the strength of his writings about judo, which seem to be well regarded. Papaursa (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I found an article on Google Books from Black Belt magazine in 1973[1] which says he was captain of the first British team to win the European championships and was national coach from 1960 (presumably till at least 1973) as well as being first Westerner to study at the Kudokan. As to Judo not being a major British sport, the UK has won 16 Olympic medals (three in 1972 when Gleeson was apparently in charge), had several world and european champions, as well as paralympic success. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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