Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Godot Wild Jam

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Godot Wild Jam

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I have no idea what the supposed claim to notability was for which this was declined as an A7 deletion candidate, as I sure don't see it. Anyway, total lack of notability. Fram (talk) 12:06, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Video games and Websites. Fram (talk) 12:06, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Yes, Godot is a popular game engine. Maybe not as popular as Unity and Unreal, but it's still popular. But keep in mind that if something falls under WP:POPULARITY it does not mean its notable. A quick Google Search shows up 0 reliable sources regarding this game jam competition. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:12, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, what User:Vacant0 said, there are 0 reliable sources. As the admin who declined the A7, A7 requires a claim to significance, which imo this game jam article has in the form of being one of the oldest Godot game jam competitions (and also being endorsed by Godot). I have also explicitly asked the author to consider atleast consider merging a bit of the page into Godot game engine since clearly this article stands no chance of being a standalone one due to a lack of sourcing. -- Sohom (talk) 12:23, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "one of the oldest Godot game jam competitions ": not in article
- being endorsed by Godot"; not in article
So what claim to notability was there???

And why would you suggest them to merge when there is not a single reliable independent source about it???

Please don't give such bad advice to editors, and please don't make claims not supported by the article. Fram (talk) 12:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Fram This is not necessarily a unknown game jam in the Godot community (I kinda follow game jams to a certain extent as a outsider in the indie game dev community). Godot does "endorse" the game jam at [1]. Similarly, indie game dev communities (and particularly indie game jams) are not well documented by mainstream media sources and this is a problem (imo?). My solution for a merge would be to document game jams within godot on the Wikipedia article and include Godot Wild as one of the many examples of such game jams. I understand if my advice could have been misinterpreted, but I don't think my suggestion is necessarily out of the world or completely against any Wikipedia policy. Don't understand this extremely combative and adversarial attitude you are giving me here. Sohom (talk) 12:53, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So nothing of what you claimed was in the article, was actually in the article. But somehow you can't just say that. And no, there is nothing to merge. My "extremelu combattive and adversarial attitude" (sheesh, you have lived a sheltered life if this is so extreme) is probably caused by an admin causing extra work and giving bad advice while not wanting to answer even the simplest questions. Fram (talk) 13:09, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Godot game engine. Alternatively merge into a list documenting many known and notable indie game jams, as suggested by Sohom above. Not seeing GNG coverage here. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 13:23, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What source warrants merging? What source warrants the description "known and notable"? Fram (talk) 13:34, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Really thought there'd be more on this. Did a more extensive search and still nothing. Reasoning for it meriting a mention was that it was endorsed by the engine itself. But Redirect would do. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 18:03, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about the endorsement but the article title contains the Godot name, so the helpfulness seems rather limited. IgelRM (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No SigCov that I could find, the one source in the article is primary. Mostly social medial or blogs that come up. Oaktree b (talk) 14:12, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I have to agree with the nomination, I have no idea what claim to significance or notability is being made here. Its a massive list that's either unsourced or clearly sourced to the subject's official website, which would be a primary source that doesn't count towards notability. And just as well, even if sources are found, this article should never exist as is. This sort of information should be on their own website, not hosted on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 15:08, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See User talk:Sohom Datta for a/the discussion on significance. Claims to notability are at present not present. Sohom (talk) 16:53, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you're saying, but I can't say I'd agree that I see a credible claim to significance here. It is up to subjective interpretation, but I can't say I would have done the same thing personally. But that's neither here nor there now that we're at AFD. Sergecross73 msg me 18:26, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clear GNG fail. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:55, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:22, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: I created this article, and I have heard what all of you have said and think it makes the most sense to merge this article with Godot game engine in a section for Game Jams, especially because it is endorsed by Godot. Vainslie (talk) 18:46, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would be WP:UNDUE to mention it in an overall article about Godot engine, given that there are literally hundreds of game jams a year. It would quickly balloon out of control if every single game jam was given a mention regardless of its notability. There is nothing pointing to this jam being different than the numerous others for Godot or other engines. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:09, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What would you merge and with what sources? Sergecross73 msg me 19:09, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Initially, I was considering merging with Godot game engine, but what Zxcvbnm said also makes sense. I see no difference between this game jam and Godot Wild Jam. The same amount of people enter in it, and the Godot Wild Jam happens more often. Vainslie (talk) 19:41, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is a WP:OSE argument, in this case it's likely that the other game jam is also non-notable and should be deleted. A lot of its sourcing is from individual games from the jam, and notability is not inherited. Some of the "three best sources" noted on its talk page are just trivial coverage, so it doesn't engender much confidence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:30, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, I see your point. From my own independent research, I can't find any other Godot-specific endorsed Game Jams. I think it would be sensical to add it to Godot game engine. Vainslie (talk) 00:00, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've added more to the page that hopefully helps explain how much of a pillar it is in the indie game development community. Curious what people think about it now. Bakenshake09 (talk) 02:04, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I believe that the information and sources added by Bakenshake09 resolves the notability and issue. Vainslie (talk) 13:43, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You would be incorrect, none of those sources added help with Wikipedia's concept of notability. Sergecross73 msg me 15:06, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.