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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Greg Handevidt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
PROD was contested, so I am relisting this as an AfD. No individual notablity established per Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles, more specifically the last line: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article." Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 01:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep He seems notable enough. Even I, not a rock and roll fan, have heard of some of the bands he has been in. Article is not well written but no reason to delete.Borock (talk) 01:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep - he passes the letter of the rule in that he has been a member of two notable bands Megadeth & Kublai Khan (band). Now one could argue that he didn't actually contribute to Megadeth since he quit before they released there first album. I could buy into that maybe, but then again I doubt many would argue Pete Best isn't notable. (Or more to the point Eric Griffiths, Pete Shotton, and Rod Davis are considered notable just for playing with The Quarrymen.) A second assertion was raised on the talk page that Kublai Khan isn't a notable band which I reject completely. Per Allmusic.com "1980s metal band Kublai Khan released one well-received album after a few years of underground presence" ... they can easily be shown to meet the GNG if required. I could maybe see a merge/redirect with Kublai Khan, but not an outright deletion. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- A would also like to point the full language of WP:BAND criteria #6 "Is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles, or an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians." Handevidt passes on both counts where only 1 is required, technically. The criteria makes no mention of the membership having to have lasted for a significant amount of time. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The last note, however, still stands. In what way has Greg Handevidt displayed individual notability? He was part of Megadeth for a couple of weeks in March 1984, and another band whose notability is questionable, to say the least. To comment on the other articles you mentioned, two wrongs don't make a right. Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 12:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Except the criteria as laid out on WP:BAND are that the person has met "any one of the following criteria" and #6 doesn't say anything about being notable as an individual. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, it does quite clearly, as I have pointed out several times, but you seem to ignore it. Look at the very bottom. "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases". Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 15:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Nope, I am not ignoring anything. That is a general guideline of what to do when a given band member isn't notable. In fact, it also illustrates the reason someone gets a page if they were a member of two notable bands - namely you can't redirect one page to two different places. Also, you might want to quote the whole note your refer to which continues "Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article." So even said note acknowledges that this guideline is overridden by criteria #6. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, it does quite clearly, as I have pointed out several times, but you seem to ignore it. Look at the very bottom. "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases". Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 15:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Except the criteria as laid out on WP:BAND are that the person has met "any one of the following criteria" and #6 doesn't say anything about being notable as an individual. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The last note, however, still stands. In what way has Greg Handevidt displayed individual notability? He was part of Megadeth for a couple of weeks in March 1984, and another band whose notability is questionable, to say the least. To comment on the other articles you mentioned, two wrongs don't make a right. Erzsébet Báthory(talk|contr.) 12:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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