Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hal (Malcolm in the Middle)

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The result was Merge (non-admin closure), I merged all the pages to List of characters in Malcolm in the Middle --Coasttocoast (talk) 01:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hal (Malcolm in the Middle)

Theses are all character for the TV show Malcolm in the Middle. All they have in them are plots and trivia with no real world information. All of them are unsourced and contain original research. The few sources that they do have are from IMDB and Tv.com, both unreliable sources. I doubt theres any secondary sources to establish notability. I did not list Malcolm since hes a protagonist and should probably be listed separately. Either way his article is just as bad. Coasttocoast --(talk) 04:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all. Non-notable, should be in main Malcolm in the Middle article, not separate.Renee (talk) 05:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the designation of them as "supporting" cast is entirely inaccurate. Every article listed here (excluding Jamie) were the main characters of the show along with Malcolm as the show used an ensemble cast. –– Lid^(Talk) 05:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok got rid of that-- Coasttocoast (talk) 06:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Malcolm in the Middle or perhaps into a new list of characters, as the list on the main show page is rather long already. Mr. Absurd (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all into (a new) List of characters in Malcolm in the Middle. The show ran for several seasons, won many awards, used to be popular, and I don't doubt that sources exist to write some decent articles (or at least sections). The only thing I am a little concerned about is the original research in some of the characters' articles (especially Dewey (Malcolm in the Middle)), so there is so much necessary trimming that deletion and a fresh start may not be much worse. – sgeureka ^t•c 08:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all per Sgeureka. Malcolm in the Middle was a very important show. I don't think merging all the characters into the show article is helpful. JuJube (talk) 08:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - just because an article is currently in a bad state is not a reason to AfD it. Articles should be fixed if possible. That being said, if we are to merge these, Malcolm should be merged too as his notability would be similarly questionable. That being said some more, considering the show ran for seven years or so, there should be plenty of interviews with cast and crew out there, all of which would be lovely secondary sources. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all except Malcolm to List of characters in Malcolm in the Middle these characters do not warrant articles of their own as they do not have notability and notability is not inheritable. Atyndall93 | talk 10:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all per Sgeureka. I agree that this is the best solution here. Eusebeus (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. -- Beloved Freak 13:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- Beloved Freak 13:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all, including Malcolm (Malcolm in the Middle) to List of characters in Malcolm in the Middle - Malcolm has no more of a claim of notability than the others. There is a similar lack of sources in the Malcolm article as in all the others, and exactly the same problems in that it is SOLELY plot with no other detail. Malcolm has no notability that the others lack - his only notability is that it's his name in the show, and that is adequately covered in the main show artcle. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Malcolm would be notable, but everyone else needs to get a moo-ve on. Ziggy Saw dust 15:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all to List of Malcolm in the Middle characters per the consensus that lists are the way to handle non-notable elements of a notable set. I can see an argument for not merging Malcolm himself, and with enough references, I'll vote keep for him when he comes up. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge everything to List of Malcolm in the Middle characters. RC-0722 ^247.5/1 17:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all characters in the film to List of Malcolm in the Middle characters. Happyme22 (talk) 17:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It probably would be possible to put together a decent article on Hal or Lois. There's a lot that could be culled from newspaper articles: [1], [2]. Indeed, there's probably more real-world information about them than Malcolm. For the time being, I'd be fine with moving all the characters into a list, but I do think some of these articles have potential to be pretty good. Zagalejo^^^ 19:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge until improved, per Zafalejo's realistic comment. DGG (talk) 04:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done I merged all the pages per consensus. -- Coasttocoast (talk) 01:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.