- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep (as merged).--Kubigula (talk) 04:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey! Say! JUMP (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
Deletion nomination as a non-notable band. Contested speedy, bringing here for further comment. The relevent guideline, WP:MUSIC, especially the relevent section titled "Criteria for musicians and ensembles", has twelve criteria that would allow a band or group to have an article here at wikipedia. This group meets NONE of those criteria. There seems to be a tenuous future release of a single; however there does not appear to be ANY reliable sources around which this article can be built yet. wikipedia is not a crystal ball and this band MAY someday be notable. It is not now, however. Jayron32|talk|contribs 17:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Definitely delete for failing WP:CRYSTAL and WP:BAND - similar to other deleted band articles. Shalom Hello 17:33, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Disagree, keep. I find 4 points in that criteria that this group meets, including:
* Has had a charted hit on any national music chart - Hey! Say! was #1 in the Oricon Japan charts
* Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country - Hey! Say! is certified GOLD by the RIAJ
* Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album - Is performing the theme song for Japan's Volleyball World Cup effort, etc.
* Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network - Had a whole 40 minute timeslot dedicated to their debut announcement just today, besides another appearance in another music program barely 2 hours later
P.S. They're also having a debut concert in Tokyo Dome - biggest stadium in Japan. How many groups are notable for that? - Akaru 17:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]- All of the above points apply to DIFFERENT groups, namely the groups Hey! Say! and Hey! Say! 7. Notability is not inherited; this new group does not automatically become notable because a precursor band did a theme song to a TV show. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 17:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey! Say! 7 IS a subgroup within this group now. Hey! Say! is not a group, it is a song by Hey! Say! 7, whose all 5 members are in this group, and even the name Hey! Say! 7 now exist as a subgroup under this main group. Technically, this IS Hey! Say! 7 renamed, and with new members added. Hey! Say! JUMP is also singing the Japan World Cup Volleyball theme song - something of national level. What about that? - Akaru 17:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- All of the above points apply to DIFFERENT groups, namely the groups Hey! Say! and Hey! Say! 7. Notability is not inherited; this new group does not automatically become notable because a precursor band did a theme song to a TV show. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 17:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Disagree. Criteria No.6: Hey! Say! JUMP has FIVE members who were part of a notable band (Hey! Say! 7) - Kamichan 17:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep While the band may not be entirely notable, the new evidence above points to a strong outcome of keep, which I would endorse wholeheartedly if it were not for some uncertainty around the facts. Liempt 21:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If you could state more on the "some uncertainty around the facts", I can try and fix it. I'm new to editing Wikipedia and all, and infact, this is the very first article that I started. Please advice. =) Akaru 11:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge. Hey! Say! 7 are clearly notable and Hey! Say! JUMP and Hey! Say! 7 are very closely linked. Hey! Say! JUMP's notability in their own right has some evidence given by Akaru, but it might be better to have just one page for both bands, so I would reject the deletion suggestion and let the merge discussion run its course. Bondegezou 11:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Seconding the merge and keep of Hey! Say! 7 into Hey! Say! JUMP. In any case, there won't be any notability issues anymore once this merger has taken place, right? - Akaru 18:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Akaru, as creator of the page, you are best placed to combine the material from both articles into one, so I suggest you be bold and just do that. The other article can then be made a re-direct. I would imagine there won't be a notability issue for the merged page. Bondegezou 11:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merged I have merged the article Hey! Say! 7 into Hey! Say! JUMP. Hopefully this now eliminates the notability problem, and that I did it correctly. This is my first time making a merge, so if I did something wrongly, please correct it. Akaru 08:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Coment - I am not sure about the deletion of this article. See also WP:NOT#CRYSTAL. This band may be notable (I am not sure). Greg Jones II 02:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Following the merger of Hey! Say! 7 into Hey! Say! JUMP, I'd say this is now a strong keep. Bondegezou 10:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Akaru, as creator of the page, you are best placed to combine the material from both articles into one, so I suggest you be bold and just do that. The other article can then be made a re-direct. I would imagine there won't be a notability issue for the merged page. Bondegezou 11:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Seconding the merge and keep of Hey! Say! 7 into Hey! Say! JUMP. In any case, there won't be any notability issues anymore once this merger has taken place, right? - Akaru 18:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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