Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Home Unix Machine Brisbane User Group (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete - seems to be consensus to delete. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Home Unix Machine Brisbane User Group

Previously survived a Keep vote in first AFD back in 05. An author kept PRODding the article although a earlier speedy tag was contested by another poster. So taking article to AFD as per procedure. --Arnzy (talk · contribs) 12:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No vote from me --Arnzy (talk · contribs) 12:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete An unecyclopedic article gathers no references establishing notability. --Richmeister_talk 15:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If you have a problem with it not having references, you find those references. The easiest thing is to nominate for deletion. M.V.E.i. 16:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No improvement to article's references or notability since it survived AfD in 2005. alexis+kate=? 20:11, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. Weak assertion of notability but fails WP:V. Dbromage [Talk] 23:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no reliable sources, so it fails WP:ORG. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 00:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I'm involved with HUMBUG. HUMBUG is as notable as many other user groups that have not come up for AfD. Robert Brockway 04:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment My concern is that policy is not being fairly applied. HUMBUG has had 2 AfDs and a speedy delete and other comparable LUGs/UUGs have not been touched. For example Linux Users' Group of Davis, Tidewater Unix Users Group, Zlug and Linux Users of Victoria. Robert Brockway 04:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Home Unix Machine Brisbane User Group has several points which add to its notability. The first being that it has played host to the southern hemispheres largest Linux User Conference (linux.conf.au), it is the home group of former Debian Project Leader Anthony Towns, and its broad focus at a time when home Unix/Linux use was just starting to get off the ground. Purserj 05:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Any reliable sources that back up those claims? NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 08:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reply But of course :) Linux.conf.au was hosted by HUMBUG in 2002. More to come. Robert Brockway 14:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reply Anthony Towns' involvement with HUMBUG is well documented. Let's use Anthony's (AJ's) own website & blog AJ's website, AJ's blog. AJ uses his humbug.org.au email address as a general purpose address. If you look at "man interfaces" on any Debian or Ubuntu box you'll see that AJ used his HUMBUG email address in there. Robert Brockway 14:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reply The age of HUMBUG is well established (thus it was active before OSS/Linux was popular). HUMBUG mail archives from 1995. There was more mail than that but the archives are incomplete. Robert Brockway 14:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reply Hi Robert - sorry hun but since a search of your name on humbug.org.au gives almost 7000 hits, I think you might be too close. alexis+kate=? 14:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Reply In both AfDs I have explicitely stated by involvement with HUMBUG. This involvement does not invalidate the citations that I have supplied as requested though. Robert Brockway 16:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ideally you wouldn't be voting on this or editing the page in question at all... seems like a conflict of interest... but you do get points for using your real name on here. alexis+kate=? 16:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm not aware of any requirement to avoid being involved in an AfD just because one is involved in the topic. I have explicitely declared my involvement with HUMBUG in both AfDs so it could be taken in to account when the AfD is finalised - an AfD is not a vote afterall. Robert Brockway 17:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - As the for the question of me editing the page, this is not a page about me, but about a club I am involved with. My edits have always been NPOV. Anyway, enough said on this as it is drifting from the AfD. Robert Brockway 17:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - If Robert is too close substitute my own name for his in the above References. I was going to come on this morning and find the links to verify the statements I had made, but Robert had beat me to it. Purserj 22:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Complete lack of independent references means this article fails WP:ORG. --Gavin Collins 10:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per failing to meet WP:ORG. -- Roleplayer 03:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.