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The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 21:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How Much Is Enough?

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All but one of the sources is a press release from Game Show Network itself. This only aired for two months in 2008 and was never heard from again. Some of the GSN originals have managed quite robust articles from minimal sourcing (Think Like a Cat, anyone?) but this one doesn't even seem to have gotten that. Suggest deletion or redirection to List of programs broadcast by Game Show Network. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Richmond, Ray (2008-01-06). "How Much Is Enough? If hosting a game show is good enough for Drew Carey and Howie Mandel, why not Corbin Bernsen?". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21.

      The article notes: "All of that said, Bernsen looks a bit awkward in this role. He’s overly indulgent and boisterous with the players and looks to be trying entirely too hard. But he’s also got 40 episodes here to find his sea legs, and the expectation is he will. Less certain is how well the show itself will go over. Here’s the gambit: The quartet of competitors study one another and calculate the best time to secretly “buzz in” as various money values between $1,000 and $5,000 are flashed. The “greediest” player in each round is eliminated. The other three get to keep padding their winnings until a final round face-off between two survivors. That’s pretty much the whole thing. Bernsen works to make the thing more exciting than it is by ratcheting up his decibel level. He’d no doubt have more fun were Harry Hamlin still available for him to harass."

    2. Nordyke, Kimberly (2007-11-26). "GSN game show is "Enough" for Bernsen". Reuters. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21.

      The article notes: "GSN is moving forward with a new Corbin Bernsen-hosted game show for primetime titled “How Much Is Enough?” The network has ordered 40 half-hour episodes of the series, which marks Bernsen’s debut as a game show host. The show, from BBC Worldwide America, features four contestants competing against a “Money Clock” to win the most cash without being the greediest. It premieres January 8 and will air at 9 p.m. ET Tuesday through Saturday. The game begins with five Money Clocks ranging in value from $1,000 to $5,000. The players secretly buzz in each round as the amount of money ..."

    3. Orange, B. Alan (2007-11-28). "GSN Asks How Much Is Enough?". MovieWeb. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21.

      The article notes: "The Game Show Network has picked up the new series How Much is Enough?. According to The Hollywood Report, Corbin Bernsen will act as the host of this exciting new competition from BBC America."

    4. Less significant coverage:
      1. Weintraub, Joanne (2008-01-06). "Television - Cashmere has a good feel". Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21.

        The article notes: "You’ve got to hand it to Corbin Bernsen. The man has gone from "L.A. Law" stud muffin to father figure in "Psych" and elsewhere to game show host without losing any of his affable air. In his latest gig, "How Much Is Enough?" (8 p.m. Tuesday through Saturday, GSN), he genially guides quartets of players through an outwardly uncomplicated but psychologically tricky game that rewards risk but penalizes greed. His "L.A. Law" go-getter, Arnie Becker, would shudder, but Bernsen pulls it off without breaking a sweat or looking as if he’d rather be somewhere else."

      2. Block, Dana (2008-01-06). "Corbin Bernsen asks 'How Much is Enough?'". Tulsa World. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21.

        The article notes: "Now he’s trying his hand as ... game-show host? Bernsen will oversee the new Game Show Network program “How Much Is Enough?” produced by BBC Worldwide America (“Dancing With the Stars”). The premise is simple: Contestants will try to guess just how greedy their fellow competitors are while they themselves try to be a little less greedy in order to win all the cash.“How Much Is Enough?” premieres Tuesday, and will air Tuesdays through Saturdays at 8 p.m. on the Game Show Network."

      3. Terrace, Vincent (2014). Encyclopedia of Television Shows, 1925 through 2010 (2 ed.). Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. p. 481. ISBN 978-0-7864-8641-0. Retrieved 2022-05-21 – via Google Books.

        The book notes: 4234 How Much Is Enough? (Series; Game; GSN; 2008). Four contestants compete. A money clock is set at zero and progresses to $1,000 (in round one). Players have to secretly lock in a money amount (trying not to be the greediest). The player who locks in the most money loses the round (as does the person who is the most cautious and chooses very low money amounts). Round three ($3,000) and Round five ($5,000) play in the same manner. Round two ($2,000) and Round four ($4,000) have the clock set at the round rate but begin counting down from the amount. The player who is not greedy or too cautious and who banks the most money wins. Host: Corbin Bernsen."

      4. Donnelly, G.J. (2008-01-08). "Corbin Bernsen Gets in the Game". TV Guide. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21.

        The article notes: "Now he adds game-show host to his résumé with How Much Is Enough? (tonight at 9 pm/ET, GSN). Four contestants compete to accumulate as much cash as they can without being the greediest, as a money clock escalates and they must choose a given amount. The one who chooses the highest amount gets nothing. "This specific game really goes to a sociological, philosophical question of today — how much is enough?" Bernsen explains.  He sees his latest project as a logical extension of his career."

      5. Weprin, Alex (2007-11-27). "GSN Picks Up How Much Is Enough". Broadcasting & Cable. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21.

        The article notes: "GSN picked up How Much Is Enough, a game show that features four contestants competing against a “‘money clock’ to win the most cash, without being the greediest.” The network picked up 40 episodes of the half-hour game show, which will be hosted by actor Corbin Bernsen, making his game-show-hosting debut."

      6. Ryan, Andrew (2007-11-30). "TV Ticker". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21.

        The article notes: "Former L.A. Law fixture Corbin Bernsen is making the switch to game-show host. The 53-year-old actor will helm the new prime-time gamer How Much Is Enough?, which makes it debut on Jan. 8 on the American cable channel GSN. The network has ordered 40 episodes of the series, in which contestants match wits with a "Money Clock" in order to win cash prizes. In recent years, Bernsen guest-starred on the series Boston Legal and played a recurring character on the cable series Psych."

      7. Shapiro, Mitchell E. (2012). Cable Television Prime Time Programming, 1990–2010. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. p. 94. ISBN 978-0-7864-7087-7. Retrieved 2022-05-21 – via Google Books.

        The book notes: How Much Is Enough (Quiz — Original Series). This original game show had contestants compete to avoid being the greediest player."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow How Much Is Enough to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 08:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reuters is a press release and therefore a primary source. MovieWeb confirms literally nothing but the host. Hardly WP:SIGCOV if you ask me. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Richmond 2008 says, "Bernsen looks a bit awkward in this role. He’s overly indulgent and boisterous with the players and looks to be trying entirely too hard. But he’s also got 40 episodes here to find his sea legs, and the expectation is he will. Less certain is how well the show itself will go over." This is not "a press release" or "a source that confirms nothing but the host". Cunard (talk) 08:17, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete While there are some short articles, as listed above, they are all in the nature of: oh, look, this show exists. They don't say much about it, and read like promos. For a show that is broadcast, that there are mentions or short articles is the minimal that can exist. It's like if a pop group goes on tour and there are articles saying: X is on tour. Lamona (talk) 15:17, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: let's see if an additional week forms consensus around the sourcing identified
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:43, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - It's covered enough to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, and given that it's a television show that aired on a large scale, it likely exists in the public consciousness to some extent, and therefore this article will serve a valuable purpose for anybody looking to confirm a fuzzy memory. I see absolutely nothing to be gained by deleting this article. DeVosMax [ contribs • talk • created media ] 06:30, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak redirect to List of programs broadcast by Game Show Network or some other appropriate target. This is the sort of frustrating case where reasonable minds can differ over how much sourcing is enough, but I don't think what we have quite clears the GNG threshold. Of the sources Cunard discusses above, the first one is an article from The Hollywood Reporter, the second one is a reprint of another The Hollywood Reporter article, and the third contains the line "According to The Hollywood Reporter" and simply summarizes the second article. The GNG notes that "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability", and I think that's what we're looking at here: we need more than The Hollywood Reporter to show notability. The remaining sources aren't quite significant enough to fill that gap, in my view, although, again, I appreciate that others may disagree. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:03, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: although the MovieWeb article is based on The Hollywood Reporter article, it is a different presentation about the facts in the author's choice of what to discuss so I consider it to be a sufficient source to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. The guideline says, "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability." But this article is from a different author and different organization which shows that How Much Is Enough? has received significant attention in more than one reliable source. Cunard (talk) 10:35, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Some thoughtful discussion, so let's see if one more relist can lead to consensus from the current no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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