Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ISPmanager (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- DQ (t) (e) 02:06, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ISPmanager

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Unremarkable software product. Article has no credible references and notability is not asserted e.g. number of installations / user base. Biker Biker (talk) 22:38, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No notability shown since the article was deleted in the first AfD. SL93 (talk) 00:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This article is a translation from Russian Wikipedia. And there this article was approved. With regard to the number of usings - then the software mentioned in webhostingtalk.com http://www.webhostingtalk.com/wiki/ISPmanager also a major hosting provider VPS.net use this soft http://www.vps.net/blog/2009/04/28/ispmanager-pro-free-cp-for-vpsnet-users/ http://www.google.com/search?q=ispmanager+site%3Avps.net 92.124.61.99 (talk) 16:05, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note - this IP address has made no other contributions. --Biker Biker (talk) 05:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Those sources appear to be questionable per wp:Identifying reliable sources#Self-published and questionable sources and therefore would not be considered sufficient to establish notability per wp:gng. Chris the Paleontologist (talk | contribs) 17:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is large software company from Russia, see http://ispsystem.com/en/events/list Ls-irk (talk) 19:26, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note - this newly-registered account has made no other contributions --Biker Biker (talk) 05:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - In accordance with wp:gng, sources that are not independent of the subject do not establish notability. Chris the Paleontologist (talk | contribs) 17:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. They have a rather large number of partners around the world, see http://ispsystem.com/en/partners/list and http://ispsystem.com/en/partners/feedback Tkizhnerova (talk) 05:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note - this user has admitted to being an employee of the company in this edit on my talk page. --Biker Biker (talk) 07:09, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note - it's not a secret! I do not hide my real name. --Tkizhnerova (talk) 06:56, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - In accordance with wp:gng, sources that are not independent of the subject do not establish notability. Chris the Paleontologist (talk | contribs) 17:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable per WP:CORP, bordering on advertising. — Brianhe (talk) 07:44, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've been an ISPsystem's customer for a couple of years already. It is a well known Russian company. And i was suprised not to find any articles in Wikipedia about its software products. Finally, I found this one, but it is nominated for deletion! I think the imformation in this article may help other people to learn more about the ISPmanager control panel and ISPsystem in general. 92.124.60.56 (talk) 16:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note - this IP address has made no other contributions. --Neo139 (talk) 16:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Statements in discussions like these will carry much more weight if you point out a Wikipedia policy or guideline to justify your argument. Furthermore, wp:VALINFO is an argument that is supposed to be avoided. Chris the Paleontologist (talk | contribs) 17:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I tried to find some notable website that talks about this software but couldn't. Anon-user are welcome to point out reliable sources on this software. And I'll change this to keep.--Neo139 (talk) 16:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. My server runs ISPmanager. My provider has offered this software for years. Find out more http://ispserver.com/en/technology/ispmanager/index.html. Keep this article, I met guys from ISPsystem at HostingCon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HostingCon this year in San Diego http://www.hostingcon.com/account/exhibitors/view/313. 31.47.168.200 (talk) 23:31, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note - this IP address has made no other contributions.--Neo139 (talk) 23:56, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - wp:gng requires that topics of articles on Wikipedia be the subject of multiple independent, reliable sources. The fact that your provider has offered this software does little to establish notability. Chris the Paleontologist (talk | contribs) 17:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (was previously Keep, but after second thought I'm not so sure): this seems to be an actually popular ISP software in Russia; unlike nearly everything else it does even have an offline coverage: Петин, Виктор (2012). API Яндекс, Google и других популярных веб-сервисов. Готовые решения для вашего сайта. БХВ-Петербург. ISBN 978-5-9775-0743-1.. There's also a related news item on a reliable Russian IT news site: [1] (though in the previous AfD someone called it press release, it isn't). — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 16:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: The mail address of the developer is CJSC "ISPsystem" RUSSIA, Irkutsk-17, P.O.B 30, 664017. In addition to the company employee that has responded, all three of the IP addresses that have responded to this AfD are registered in Irkutsk. --Biker Biker (talk) 17:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could it happen that people from Irkutsk with internet connection are more likely to watch the page as their level of awareness is higher? BTW, are You sure that addresses 92.124.61.99, 92.124.60.56 and 31.47.168.200 do all belong to Irkutsk? Your enthusiasm makes me feel that You have some special reasons to take this software out. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 17:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm sure, a whois check confirmed. As for my enthusiasm, it is only to prevent self-interest prevailing on Wikipedia. --Biker Biker (talk) 17:32, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see: they have different providers but all are from Irkutsk. As well as Ls-irk, as I guess from the nickname. Still I can't see any importance in this fact. The point that people in Irkutsk might happen to be more aware of the software in question still stands. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 17:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The odds of multiple people from Irkutsk (1) being aware of the software, (2) being on Wikipedia, and (3) caring about the software on Wikipedia may not be approximately three thousand, seven hundred twenty to one, but they're way up there. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:31, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, but unless they are accused of bad faith, this is irrelevant. And if they are indeed accused, there should be some proof beyond the similarities of their positions. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 10:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete: Notability cannot be established from what is currently at the article, Remind people from Irkutsk that this ain't a vote. Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 17:19, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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