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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 01:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Ignat Ignatov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • Stats)
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No sign of independent sources on the topic. No reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG. IRWolfie- (talk) 21:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: No mention in independent reliable sources found after Google, Google Books or Google Scholar searches. Appears to be (self?)promotional in nature. Clearly fails all of our notability requirements. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 22:20, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Ignatov appears to be a "researcher" in alternative medicine. The most informative source I found is this site, which is hosted by the Scientific Research Center of Medical Biophysics, a center that he founded and owns, and about which I could find no independent information. On this site he claims to have received several medals, none of which I could verify independently. Indeed, the only related medal I found was the Vernadsky medal, which was first awarded the year after he claims to have received a Vernadsky prize (possibly they are different prizes). There is a little bit about his research in Kirlian photography#Research, with no independent sources for any of his claims. The bottom line is, no independent sources for Ignatov or any of his claims. RockMagnetist (talk) 23:12, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- For the prizes of Dr. Ignatov there is copies of the diplomas and number of the diplomas. Only lower has a right to discus this topic. The copies of the diplomas are in CV of Dr. Ignatov:
- http://www.medicalbiophysics.dir.bg/en/ignat_ignatov_cv.html
- Only in justice system is possible the estimate the activities of the people. Dr. Ignat Ignatov is biophysicist. Please, show the registration for ""researcher" in alternative medicine". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbreht (talk • contribs) 22:12, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Unnotable stub created by an editor using two accounts. Sockpuppetry isn't a grounds for deletion, but lack of notability certainly is. -- Brangifer (talk) 23:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Sock-puppetry can be grounds for deletion. IRWolfie- (talk) 20:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment While I can't decipher the titles, there are two works in the catalog of the U.S. Library of Congress listed under the author's name Ignat Ignatov. Both appear to be Bulgarian in origin and can be seen here: http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?hd=1,1&Search_Arg=Ignat%20Ignatov&Search_Code=NAME%40&CNT=100&type=quick&PID=FLZYJFlXpTMz0pUDHETBN_eAn_Mt&HIST=0&SEQ=20120802005609&SID=1 If these works come from this author, then their inclusion MAY be signs of notability and that we simply aren't seeing it doing English-language searches? Celtechm (talk) 05:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Your link doesn't appear to work. Be aware that there is at least one other Ignat Ignatov from Bulgaria (an artist who moved to California). IRWolfie- (talk) 09:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Neither Euromedica nor CPCBW (which account for 7 of the 10 of his primary-author publications) are peer-reviewed. I was able to find one citation to the 2005 paper; everything else has been ignored. The multiple awards and prizes appear to have been made up out of whole cloth. I suspect his books and his institute are also fictitious. GaramondLethe 16:15, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Dear Garamond Lethe, the Scientific Research Center of Medical Biophysics has official low registration in Bulgaria and EU. You are not able to have this source of information, because you are not part of justice system in Europe. The are clear lows in Act of Copy right for the books. The books of Dr. Ignatov has all right to be books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbreht (talk • contribs) 20:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- There are a few more citations trickling into the article. The cites to "Water" resolve to what appears to be a Russian alternative medicine site. No indication of peer review. No indication that these papers have been cited by other researchers. In short, no indication of notability. GaramondLethe 16:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Dear Garamond Lethe, the Scientific Research Center of Medical Biophysics has official low registration in Bulgaria and EU. You are not able to have this source of information, because you are not part of justice system in Europe. The are clear lows in Act of Copy right for the books. The books of Dr. Ignatov has all right to be books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbreht (talk • contribs) 20:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for lack of evidence of passing WP:PROF. The lack of citations for his papers in Google scholar (indeed, the lack of evidence that those papers even exist) argues for a fail of WP:PROF#C1, and what else is there? I don't think the sockpuppetry should be a reason for deletion unless it is so out of control as to make proper maintenance of the article impossible, but I don't see it as a positive sign either. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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- Dr. Ignatov activity
Dear Garamond Lethe, Thnak you very much for your efforts. Dr. Ignat Ignatov has substantial contribution to show how one alternative methodic is working. Please, see point 3. Also he has reliable results with on the topic origin of life in hot water and mountain water and longevity. The Law of copy right is not shows the level of publication or selection of publications. Dr. Ignatov has copy right for real scientific achievements. My comments are: 1.The Bulgarian National library sent Dr. Ignatov 2 books in USA institutions: Comment While I can't decipher the titles, there are two works in the catalog of the U.S. Library of Congress listed under the author's name Ignat Ignatov. Second Ignat Ignatov is artist and he has not books. He has paintings.
2. "I suspect his books and his institute are also fictitious." The Scientific Research Center of Medical Biophysics (SRCMB) has real law registration in Bulgaria. The head of SRCMB has been a consultant at the National Centre for Public Health – Ministry of Health with director Prof. Miroslav Popov.
3. Dr. Ignat Ignatov makes research in alternative medicine. This don’t means that he agrees with all methods in alternative medicine: 3.1. Homeopathy. There is not result after Avogadro number. Also he has proofs that in homeopathical remedies there is effect from electromagnetic devices for preparation: http://www.medicalbiophysics.dir.bg/en/homeopathy.html 3.2. Bioresonance therapy like metaphysical method. Please, talk Bioresonance in Wikipedia. The phenomena bioresonance is different. 3.3. "Memory" of water is not correct. The correct is "Informationability" of water 4. With google you are able the see the diplomas for awards of Ignatov: http://www.medicalbiophysics.dir.bg/en/ignat_ignatov_cv.html
5. Over 80% of information for Dr. Ignatov is in Russian. In Russia in inpendennce scientific site Everything for water Dr. Ignatov is including in Top 5 of the subject water. http://www.o8ode.ru/article/onew/biograth
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Battomi (talk • contribs) 06:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Alternative medicine in EU
Dear Garamond Lethe,
In Europe there is process for the research which methodic is works and which not. Again Dr. Ignatov does make that in Bulgaria. The link is to EU news later: http://ec.europa.eu/health-eu/newsletter/75/newsletter_en.htm Complementary and alternative medicine for the healthcare needs of EU citizens Dr. Ignatov in EU project: http://www.medicalbiophysics.dir.bg/en/therapeutist.html#euheals Alternative medicine is reality in EU and only medical doctors and scientists are able to say – this methodic is works. Site in EU commission: http://ec.europa.eu/research/headlines/news/article_10_01_08_en.html From outher side Dr. Ignatov has fundamental research with reliable scientific methods: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Battomi (talk • contribs) 07:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Alternative medicine in Bulgaria and Russia
In Russia and Bulgaria the alternative methodics have officially registered like laws with collaboration of scientists, medical doctors and organizations like Scientific Research Center of Medical Biophysics, Bulgaria, Institute Traditional Folk Medicine “ENIOM” and Federal Scientific Clinical and Experimental Center of Traditional Methods of Treatment and Diagnosis, Russia.
- Public activity of Ignat Ignatov of the topic water
Ignat Ignatov is founder of the International Days of Mountain Water and Healing Tourism in Teteven, Bulgaria. The organizers are Scientific Research Center of Medical Biophysics and Teteven municipality. This event help to a lot of people to understand which water is more useful for human health and longevity. For one scholar is not only important scientific publication, but and public activity for the people. The health and the life have not price. Ignat Ignatov was organized like optional subject medical biophysics in highest schools in Bulgaria http://www.medicalbiophysics.dir.bg/en/mountain_water.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Battomi (talk • contribs) 10:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Promotion only account?
I am beginning to think this is what we're dealing with. That's not the purpose of Wikipedia. -- Brangifer (talk) 17:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I also think an SPI needs to be launched at this stage also, the editor has 3 accounts and is not distinguishing that they are all the same user. IRWolfie- (talk) 23:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- At least. There could be more which I haven't found. See: Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Mbreht. -- Brangifer (talk) 02:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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