Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Interior Design Protection Council

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 04:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interior Design Protection Council

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Why the page should be deleted This article does not meet Wikipedia's Notability Guidelines. When I found the article it read like an op-ed piece, full of unsupported statements and references to things that had nothing to do with this group. After cleaning out the stuff that did not belong in the article I have tried to actually add relevant information into it. The only information to be found is from the website of the organization itself. This organization has not received any credible notoriety. Searches reveal the normal redistribution of material on the web, and no credible third party actually acknowledging the organiztaion. "Research" was added by another author, but that research only consisted of self-published PDFs from the subject organization as well, that had not been published in any journal or by a reliable source. As such, internet communities are not notable just by virtue of having a website, and this article should be deleted.Nitack (talk) 14:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I applaud the group's aims but, regrettably, they fail general notability guidelines. Eddie.willers (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A couple of references on the web does not notability make. The item from reason TV never made it into the actual magazine, and is dated 2008. The press release from the Institute for Justice is also dated 2008, and does not of itself indicate notability of the organization. The American Society of Interior Designers may have acknowledged their existence, but it sounds more like a brush off rather than acknowledgment of importance. Window Vision Magazine, is that magazine even notable in itself? Also, can you produce a link to the article(s) in question? At best this organization is a " flash in the pan", which does not qualify for notability. Although realistically even the sources listed here do not really even establish notability. What Wikipedia is not with attention to the news heading. General Notability guidelines, and all the criteria there seem to be in question. Wikipedia is not a marketing platform for a new or fledgling organization, the sad truth is that not every organization is notable. Everyone in my neighborhood knows about a specific restaurant as being good, and it has even gotten great reviews in a major national newspaper multiple times, but that still doesn't make it notable enough to warrent a Wikipedia article.Nitack (talk) 15:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Window Fashion Vision magazine has been around for a long time (http://www.wf-vision.com/default.aspx). Every year they host a large trade show called the "International Window Coverings Expo," usually in Atlanta, Georgia (http://www.wf-vision.com/expo.aspx), and they offer the industry WFCP (Window Fashions Certified Professionals) program (http://www.wf-vision.com/education.aspx). Interior Design Professional (talk) 19:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And none of that denotes notability. Every one of your links is internal to the organization.Nitack (talk) 14:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Establishing notability/notoriety

This organization is highlighted on the Reason TV documentary "Throw Pillow Fight" http://reason.tv/video/show/throw-pillow-fight Interior Design Professional (talk) 14:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Organization mentioned in a press release by Institute for Justice's kickoff of Interior Design Freedom Month http://www.ij.org/about/component/content/2357?task=view —Preceding unsigned comment added by Interior Design Professional (talk • contribs) 14:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC) Interior Design Professional (talk) 15:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In 2008, the American Society of Interior Designers released an 18-page "Message Guide" (http://www.asid.org/NR/rdonlyres/2D53B44E-5DBA-4504-BC24-153BFE7C8B3D/0/ASIDMessageGuide.pdf) which directs their members avoid using the term "Interior Design Protection Council" when defending their licensing advocacy, and goes on to provide "a hierarchy of possible messages that can be used when discussing the issues" [re IDPC], and even directs their members not to "engage our adversaries (IDPC and IJ) directly in debate." If the Interior Design Protection Council had no credibility, why would the oldest and largest interior design trade association go to such lengths to seclude their members from engaging in a free and fair exchange of views on an important issue that impacts the entire profession? Interior Design Professional (talk) 15:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Window Fashion Vision magazine ran an article entitle "Insurgence of the Independents" by Interior Design Protection Council's director in their November 2008 issue (http://www.idpcinfo.org/Insurgence_of_the_Independents.pdf). According to Susan Schultz at Grace McNamara (Vision's publisher), they have another article by IDPC slated for their August 2010 issue entitled, "Crushing the Cartel." They are editorials but they are not self-published, so I include them in the discussion only to establish that the IDPC is recognized in the industry. Interior Design Professional (talk) 15:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Association of Interior Design Professionals acknowledged and published a photograph on their website of an IDPC town hall meeting in Annapolis, Maryland in which IDPC director was the keynote speaker. http://aidponline.com/news.htm

Is that organization notable at all? One non-notable organization recognizing another non-notable organization does not establish notability.Nitack (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On April 26, 2010, the Interior Design Protection Council's attorney Robert Kry filed an Amicus brief with the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in the Locke vs. Shore appeal of the Florida interior design law. http://www.idpcinfo.org/Amicus_Brief_of_Interior_Design_Protection_Council_.pdf 10 additional national organizations were contacted by IDPC and signed on to their brief. The IDPC has considerable clout and leadership in the industry in regards to opposing regulation and is the only organization formed solely for that purpose. Interior Design Professional (talk) 15:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can file an Amicus brief. Names attached to the brief does not indicate any level of clout in the industry. Please establish a citation for that assertion.Nitack (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interior Design Protection Council's director was interviewed and is quoted in an article about lighting legislation in LightSources magazine, Winter 2009. http://www.idpcinfo.org/Eco-friend_Lighting_Legislations_FEATURE_DENT.pdf Interior Design Professional (talk) 16:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is on a topic, not on IDPC, how does this establish notability for the organization rather than the topic?Nitack (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article about IDPC entitled "The Running Dogs of Interior Design" promoted on The Agitator.com http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/25/the-running-dogs-of-interior-design/ Interior Design Professional (talk) 16:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is a blog not a publication or reliable source according to Wikipedia Standards.Nitack (talk) 16:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In April 2008, in response to an editorial entitled "Watch Out for that Pillow," the Wall Street Journal selected four letters to the editor to publish out of hundreds that they received. The Interior Design Protection Council was one http://www.idpcinfo.org/LTE-WSJ.html; the others were from ASID, NCIDQ and the Institute for Justice. These are the two leading groups in favor of regulation and the two leading groups opposed to it. Interior Design Professional (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interior design protection council is not listed in the WSJ article at all, and a site search turns up nothing either.Nitack (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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