Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Journal of Computer Science Issues

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Deleted after userfication at author's request Non-admin closure. JohnCD (talk) 08:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

International Journal of Computer Science Issues

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A new journal, not yet notable. Miym (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Miym, I do not understand clearly the main reason why you want to delete the article on IJCSI. Is it only because it is a new journal? Kav123 (talk), 1 November 2009

Comment If some outside references were given, the chances of the article's survival would be greater. As it stands, the only two references are to the Journal's own site. Outside, independent, reliable sources are required. Add to that some more info such as circulation. It's hard for a new publication to be classed as notable straight away. Especially when we've not heard of it... Peridon (talk) 19:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It seems to me that this journal is not (yet) sufficiently notable to merit a Wikipedia article. The relevant guidelines here are WP:GNG and the proposed guideline Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals). We need reliable third-party shources that show that the topic is sufficiently notable; no such sources are given here, and I could not find any sources, either. In general, in the case of a journal that was only established in 2009, it will be very hard to show the notability. Usually, the notability of an academic journal is shown by resorting to journal rankings, citation statistics, impact factors, listings in indexing services, etc., but none of these are available for new journals. Some new journals will become notable, some will die; we don't know yet what will happen with IJCSI. — Miym (talk) 20:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As noted by the nom, it will be very difficult (but not impossible) for a new journal to meet Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals) (or GNG). This journal clearly fails, no sources given, not much to be found besides their own website. Article created way too early. If they get listed by ISI (and that's a big IF), we can see again. --Crusio (talk) 20:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A few links where IJCSI is mentioned that might be of interest. I don't know whether these will give you what you are looking for, but please kindly take a look before concluding. Thank you.

http://www.nooblic.fr/pages/Pascal-Chatonnay
http://palblog.fxpal.com/?p=1731
http://lifc.univ-fcomte.fr/page_personnelle/accueil/21
https://www.nebrija.es/boletines/public/previsualizarArticulo.php?idboletin=445&idnoticia=3562&PHPSESSID=0dad68ebc388df78fa8f975e81edbe12#art3562
http://netlab-mn.unipv.it/wsn/dokuwiki/emanuele_goldoni
http://www.dmi.usherb.ca/~razak/Divers-FR.htm
http://fadi.khalil.perso.sfr.fr/activities.html
http://www.webulite.com/wiki/List_of_journals_available_free_online
http://www.fxpal.com/?p=pubs&cate=2
http://stephane.lavirotte.com/research/publi.html
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/MN_Lakhoua
http://www.gconference.net/eng/infomation_info.html?info_idx=49&cata=06&no=
http://rainbow.i3s.unice.fr/~tigli/doku/doku.php?id=homepages_en
http://eprintweb.org/S/authors/All/fa/Fallavollita/1
http://sites.google.com/site/nohaperso/home/publications/year
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Miroslav_Baca

Kav123 (talk), 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Comment I went throug some of the above links, but stopped at some point, as it seems to me that you don't really see what is needed here (you're new, so that's understandable :-). Those links go to some personal webpages of people who state that they are an editor of this journal, some blog that writes on open access, a grad student's page (!!) who has reviewed for this journal, etc. None of this comes even close to establishing notability. Links like this can be found for any journal, no matter how obscure. Please have a look at the notability guidelines for academic journals to see what is needed here. --Crusio (talk) 20:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS:it might also be helpful to read this to see what Wikipedia considers to be reliable sources. --Crusio (talk) 20:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Crusio thank you for this link about journal notability, it is very helpful. I think that I will wait for some more months and come up with something solid enough so that you can consider again an article on IJCSI. Besides, I hope that IJCSI will by this time be ISI-indexed, that will help. Anyway, thank you very much Miym, Peridon and Crusio for the help and time. Just one question before closing this issue, later on when I will be ready to come again and set up an article on IJCSI, will I have to write everything again? Or will the page I created be saved for latter reuse. Please let me know. Thank you.

Kav123 (talk), 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Delete. This new journal has not yet had any time to establish notability. Sometimes new journals attempt to jump-start their notability by including stars on their editorial board but that doesn't seem to be the case for this one. Another unpromising sign is that "International Journal of Computer Science Issues (IJCSI) is web site (“Site”) is owned and operated by shopNow.mu" and (later on same page) "We do not provide any refund under any circumtance for any registered paper unless otherwise decided by IJCSI Managing Editor." Refund? Apparently they charge to publish. I know some professional journals do this too but this smells a bit like a vanity press to me. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, charging authors is standard procedure for all open access journals that I know off. So this is not necessarily a vanity press. For examples on both extremes, see BioMed Central and Public Library of Science versus Bentham Science Publishers (you'll hae to Google that one). --Crusio (talk) 21:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Electronic Journal of Combinatorics does not charge its authors. The Journal of Graph Algorithms & Applications does not charge its authors. The Journal of Computational Geometry does not charge its authors. So there are a few counterexamples for you. I've published in a lot of journals and I don't recall ever having a mandatory publication fee — the most I've seen was an optional fee for printed reprints. A lot of commercial journal publishers have been trying to hijack "open access" to mean that the authors take up the publishing charges instead of the readers and that the commercial publisher continues to make a profit for adding no value, but I don't see why we should play into that. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not yet notable. User:Kav123 - to answer your question: if you like, the article can be "userfied" - that is, moved into a sub-page in your user space, so that you can work on it there until it is ready to be brought back as an article. If you would like that, reply below here. JohnCD (talk) 21:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes, I would like the article to be userfied. Thanks.

Kav123 (talk), 1 November 2009 (UTC)

- Comment. I am happy to let Kav123 grab a copy of the page source but I am opposed to userfication at this point. That remedy makes sense when an article needs work to bring up to par but when the sources exist. In this case, what the subject needs is a few more years to gain notability, and I don't think we should have a user page pretending to be a Wikipedia article for that period of time. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Having offered to userfy, I will do that; David, to meet your concern I will undertake to keep an eye on the userfied article and nominate it for MfD, with due warning to the author, if after say three months there seems little immediate prospect of it achieving notability. JohnCD (talk) 22:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment John, before reading the article on journal notability, and understand clearly what is needed, I think the journal will need more than 3 months time before attaining such maturity. My concern to have it userfied was simply because I thought that I will have to re-write everything all again later on when I'll create again a page for IJCSI (of course I will ensure that it reach the notability level as set by wikipedia). As you inform me that I can simply copy the source in a text file and later use it, that's great then. I didn't think about that. Anyway, I did it and it is ok now, you can delete it since I already got an offline copy. Thanks.

Kav123 (talk), 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - see message on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 08:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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