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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect‎ to Reza Pahlavi, Crown Prince of Iran without prejudice against a selective merger. This seems like a better target than the more general Iranian opposition article, but of course, editors are welcome to discuss and reach consensus for a different target.
This AfD quickly turned into a political arena, with many of the votes reflecting their own political affiliation rather than any views on the notability of the subject. Similarly, !votes based solely on whether the entity - Iran transition government - exists or not were discarded, as its existence is not required for it to meet our inclusion criteria. Similarly, WP:CRYSTAL applies only to unverifiable speculation. When the speculation itself is verifiable by reliable, independent sources, WP:CRYSTAL no longer applies. Whether that is the case here is a question of fact, not policy. What we're left with is a rough consensus against retaining this as a standalone article, with a redirect being a sensible ATD.
Kudos to the participants who kept a neutral point of view, and examined the sources without bias. Owen× ☎ 16:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iran transition government

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Everything here that mentions the government is a primary source from the transitional government itself, or a related Iranian diaspora organization. There are no secondary sources for things besides statements from Pahlavi.

Source analysis:

  • 1 is a Twitter link.
  • 2 is a diaspora Iranian organization, primary source.
  • 3 is the closest thing here to a secondary source, but also fails to establish this as a clear new government, if anything it provides notability for an article called "Munich Convergence Meeting" rather than the government. The article itself states that the meeting did not intend to "launch a new organization."
  • 4 talks about the conference but doesn't mention the government.
  • 5 to 19 are all either Twitter links, or reliable sources that discuss Reza Pahlavi's statements, but do not actually discuss the transitional government.
  • 20 to 27 are primary sources from the government themselves.
  • 28 to 34 again, are news articles discussing Pahlavi and the prospect of regime change.

In short, there are no secondary sources that establish the transitional government is notable, and no news articles that even mention it existing. As such I don't think it meets notability guidelines. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 17:17, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to note that a single news article (from a secondary source) that elaborates on what the transition government actually is would likely at least establish it exists, its just that everything listed so far either is a primary source or a news article of Pahlavi saying that he has a "transition plan" which is distinct from the fully fledged organization described in this article. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 17:24, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: I wouldn't reject notability entirely as it is quite often discussed among opposition groups especially with recent events. I do though have some hesitancy about a full article since it's mostly proposals at this time and not any institutional government right now (PM, cabinet, etc). Because of this, I think the material in the article should be transferred over to the Iranian opposition page, and it can separate out as an article in the future if an actual transitional government is formed. TeddyRoosevelt1912 (talk) 22:40, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
keep (note that I wrote the article): The topic is very notable and naturally governments in exile of non Anglo-Saxon countries tend to be covered mainly by diaspora newspapers in their native languages. That’s why many of the sources are non English and come from diaspora based outlets. This particular government in exile is in formation since February and has grown particularly relevant following the Iran Israel war. Overall I wholeheartedly agree with Dn9ahx KiltedKangaroo (talk) 08:11, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the issue of sourcing raised by MaggieT19: the sources include several prominent outlets such as AP News, the BBC, and Bloomberg. I’ve also added Politico and DW. It appears an editor mistakenly included Twitter as a source. I’ve since removed it. KiltedKangaroo (talk) 16:08, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I removed all twitter sources added by editors. KiltedKangaroo (talk) 05:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 15:27, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Whole lot of speculation being used here; nothing's happened to make the government change. People talk about this happening, but it's all speculation at this point. TOOSOON or CRYSTALBALL. Oaktree b (talk) 18:59, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Oaktree b Whether the regime changes or not is irrelevant to this article. Even the fact that such an idea is being raised at this time by the Iranian regime’s opposition is very significant. The Iranian regime is threatening their lives, and yet, at this critical time, they have taken action. Please do not comment without considering the situation in the Middle East. Nothing needs to happen. The idea (and timing) itself is important enough. Edard Socceryg (talk) 22:15, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but this particular attempt isn't more notable than the one before it. You could lump them together into one article perhaps, but this version isn't special. Oaktree b (talk) 22:54, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is a great article, it will be a great pity if its deleted. Why would you delete an article about an Iranian government in exile? If we were in WW2 would you delete the article on the French government in exile? 152.207.224.227 (talk) 07:28, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We aren't in a World War. If it was WW2, they'd still need sourcing anyway. Not a bunch of Twitter links and the like. Oaktree b (talk) 18:40, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I didn't want to write this but I see there are some Iranian regime apologists who voted so I feel compelled to counter them. 80.191.253.162 (talk) 11:21, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Focus on the sourcing, not the ideaology. Oaktree b (talk) 18:41, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Make Iran Great Again 185.115.78.239 (talk) 14:12, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I'm happy I was reading the article Azerbaijanis in Iran and noticed the article. This article could be seriously developed and extended (In a better way). The topic of the article has been covered by BBC Persian, Iran International, most of the mainstream Persian and non-Persian international media. How do some users allow themselves to consider themselves experts on the subject of politics and determining the fate of the people of the region? We Wiki users can not saying that because the Iranian government is not falling, then this article should be deleted! That is not logical! What matters are the sources. In all the important and mainstream sources, this has been an important and ongoing subject. Sixtytwoally (talk) 18:09, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:CRYSTALBALL, WP:SOAP: as far as I can tell, this "transition[al?] government" consists of exactly one person, Reza Pahlavi, who already has a Wikipedia page. At most, his page could be updated with his newest claims. However, claiming that Iran even has a "transitional government" is not just misleading and politically motivated; it is simply false. Iran's government is clearly not in the process of a "transition". Note also that one man from a deposed monarchy living in exile does not constitute a government. Therefore, neither "transitional" nor "government" are correct. Moreover, the term "transitional government" redirects to "provisional government" on Wikipedia, and refers to an entity that has actually taken power in-country and is overseeing a period of crisis or instability. For example, the Irish Provisional Government of 1922 formed after Great Britain signed the treaty granting Irish independence; it wasn't competing with an existing, recognized government as Pahlavi is doing. The Irish Provisional Government had ministers, organized elections, maintained law and order, managed national utilities (etc.) from the government seat in Dublin. This bears zero resemblance to Reza Pahlavi, who is literally just a pretender in exile. 2003:102:6F03:73C5:AE77:9B1C:D300:F111 (talk) 15:27, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This page will disrespect Iranian Leader, Seyed Ali Khamenei. Disrespecting people is against Wikipedia rules. 89.199.91.189 (talk) 18:28, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That is untrue. Ike Lek (talk) 05:40, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The sources don't support the assertion made in this article, i.e. that there is a "transition government." Most of it can be covered elsewhere, including at Reza Pahlavi, Crown Prince of Iran. SportingFlyer T·C 21:08, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Page semi-protected to stop drive-by IPs from turning this into a political arena. Legitimate non-autoconfirmed users are welcome to leave comments on this AfD's Talk page. Owen× ☎ 21:34, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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