Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish Go Association

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The result was keep. no arguments in favor of deletion aside from the nom JForget 00:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Irish Go Association

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Declined speedy - No indication of any significance let alone that it is notable - Fails WP:GNG.

The Refs listed on the talk page

one and two from the Irish Independent (the ONLY TWO Gnews hits on the Association)

three from the Ireland Japan Association and

four from The Irish - Chinese Cultural Society

all relate to "John Gibson, Secretary of the Irish Go Association" and not the Irish Go Association. Codf1977 (talk) 13:21, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The very first link states As secretary of the Irish Go Association, he has helped organise the European Go Championships, which begin in Dublin today. More than 400 players from 28 countries will compete. Note that although it mentions John Gibson, it states that he was involved as secretary of the Irish Go Association. This link from the Japanese Embassy in Ireland specifically mentions the IGA, its' involvement in organising a convention as well as encouraging people to contact the IGA. This link from the European Go Federation mentions the IGA (and BGA) organisation of the 45th European Go Congress. Autarch (talk) 17:20, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The coverage is about the person not the Irish Go Association and none of it comes close to significant coverage as outlined in WP:GNG. Codf1977 (talk) 18:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked - some of the links make no mention of the person in question - namely the embassy and the European Go Federation links.Autarch (talk) 12:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This link mentions the 2008 event on the Japanese Embassys' site and mentions that the Ambassador was present on the final day and presented a prize. That the embassy site makes several mentions of the IGA, and that the IGA co-hosted the 2001 European Go Congress (approx 400 players) would count towards significance.Autarch (talk) 12:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When I said four links all relate to "John Gibson" I was referring to the links you provided on the talk page (replicated above). The Japanese Embassys' site mentions (to use your words) as just that, mentions - how does that demonstrate notability ? Codf1977 (talk) 14:26, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Irish Go Association is mentioned in Ranka, the publication of the International Go Federation and the British Go Assocation's quarterly Journal if those have any bearing on the matter. It is the national body for organising the 'sport' in the country, being affiliated to both the European and International Go Federations. On these grounds I would have though it would have deserved a mention. --ZincBelief (talk) 22:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just read over the specific guidelines for organisations "Non-commercial organizations:

Organizations are usually notable if they meet both of the following standards: [1]The scope of their activities is national or international in scale. [2]Information about the organization and its activities can be verified by multiple, third-party, independent, reliable sources." The IGA is a non commerical organisation, that's quite obvious I trust. The scope of its activities is national (it is the national body and it organises nationally). It organises tournaments in Northern Ireland too. It also sends representatives too International events: e.g. World Championships [2] Third party evidence is probably a bit scant, but the articles by the Japan Embassy and about the European Go Congress are some evidence. As I say above, I can produce mentions in Ranka and the BGA Go Journal too. The current president was also interviewed for a Romanian Publication. The Us Go Website has some mentions of the IGA too in its E-Journal publication. Please feel free to contact me on my talk page if you feel any of these would help satisfy the criteria you are asking for. I am a little disappointed that the specific criteria we should be looking at were not asked for, instead the general requirements were demanded. --ZincBelief (talk) 22:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep What is wrong with the sources referring to John Gibson, provided that they also refer to the IGA? What does that matter? The fact remains that the sources refer to the activity of a (senior) representative of the IGA. The IGA has sent players to represent Ireland in many foreign tournaments, including the World Mind Sports Games held in the Olympic Village in Beijing in 2008, attended by 2,763 competitors. The article existed before that, & I believe the IGA's stature must have grown since the WMSG. Trafford09 (talk) 23:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (Disclaimer: I am a go player) The Irish Go Association is a national organisation, accepted internationally as representing Irish players of one of the world's oldest and most popular board games. The article itself is of a similar nature to articles on other national go organisations (eg the British Go Association). By all means point out improvements that may be necessary, but deletion seems inappropriate. Common sense should prevail here. Oniscoid (talk) 11:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As a national non-commercial organization described at http://www.irish-go.org/ , I can't really understand the wish to delete a small reference to it. Just because Ireland isn't big like China or USA doesn't seem a reason to de-list them. Their national organisation sends representatives to the World level tournaments, e.g. the WMSG, and has a vote on the EGF [1]. In a world where storage is measured in Terabytes, an entry measured in bytes seems harmless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.171.44 (talk) 17:24, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The IGA is a National Association with International affiliations. As such it does meet WP:GNG. I am a go player and a member of the British Go Association. -- SGBailey (talk) 20:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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