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The result was delete. Jayjg (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Actor, does not meet WP:ENTERTAINER. IMDb does not list any credit whatsoever for The Blind Side or Remember the Titans, despite article's claim that he "starred" in them. Has a decent number of Google hits, though many seem to come from the same promotional machine. Glenfarclas (talk) 08:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Minor actor. Article is peacock promotion, listing various past and future "starring roles" that IMDB doesn't know of. 88.112.56.9 (talk) 08:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I agree with above. Obvious promotion. Main concern is lack of independent and reliable sources. If the sources were improved this could be a keeper if the tone was cleaned up but as it stands it should be deleted DRosin (talk) 12:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I reviewed a userspace draft of this one per request at WP:FEED. I thought notability and tone were iffy then, and I have not been able to find any better sources since. So, fails WP:BIO. Creator's usename also raises COI issues. ukexpat (talk) 17:49, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Please Don't Delete I really appreciate all your feedback especially those who have taken time to provide feedback on how I can improve this article. I am IronE's Manager, Technical Director/Developer and coincidentally his wife. I hope that is not a problem as I am the one who always handles his website updates. It is my goal to make whatever modifications to the tone of the text as possible and leave only the factual, non-biased, non-promotional based information. I would like to inform the world about this talented man that is gaining national exposure at warp speeds recently and am honored to have that opportunity on sources such as Wikipedia. We were informed about 3 weeks ago by several sources that IMDB had errors in IronE's credits. He was listed on The Blind Side page for months and then the credits suspiciously dropped off. We have submitted corrections and complaints to IMDB as well as his agent and are pending contacting Alcon Productions to help us resolve as it is obvious that this error is problematic. IronE is IN FACT the lead villain in The Blind Side with several scenes and appeared on the second screen of credits in the movie. Further, he appears in all trailers as well. He was only a featured extra (football player) in Remember The Titans so we are not so concerned about that missing credit. If you could consider letting me know how to further clean-up the wording of the text and putting his article in clean-up mode until we can resolve things with IMDB I would greatly appreciate it. Thankfully CS-Rbsingit!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.133.87 (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: If you can edit the article so that it demonstrates notability per WP:BIO, and isn't promotional in tone per WP:SPAM, please go ahead, but also please read WP:COI. – ukexpat (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Thank you for your invaluable input!! I am on it and will work hard to make the necessary corrections tonight. I know your time is valuable and you've much content to cover, so thanks for checking back and helping to bring this article up to code.
- Delete I spent considerable time Googling IronE, and can find nothing but promotion. He is categorized as a " film director," yet even his resume lists not a single credit for film direction. IMDB, same thing. Agree with Ukexpat - article fails WP:BIO and is transparently and exclusively promotional. Suggest linking to some actual reviews or articles of the artist's work, written by third parties. Rudybowwow (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Thank you as well for your considerable time researching IronE. During your research you may have noticed that all of IronE's resumes list "IronE The Resurrected" as well as "White Man Black Man Jew Man" which IronE wrote, starred, directed, and produced. Though both are "independent" projects, I think they are still worthy of being noted as accomplishments of relevance to his career. I did note two 3rd party reviews on "IronE The Resurrected". I will double check the accuracy of the links. I'm sorry that you feel that the content of this article is "promotional". I will work harder as user Ukexpat has suggested to bring things up to code. Truth is, as I've researched other actors on Wikipedia, I've noted very parallel article tone. In fact, I was inspired by several. What I have found that separates their articles from this one is that their credits very closely align with IMDB. I, IronE, his agent and many others are working to have that resolved and hope that IMDB takes care of it sooner rather than later. 20:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment IronE is categorized in this article as a FILM director. I went back to IMDB, where not a single film credit is listed. You say he is a director, fine. It looks to me like he has directed some theatre. That would make him a STAGE director. If these plays were reviewed, I would invite you to link them to the article you admit to having written yourself (which as others here have pointed out raises definite WP:COI issues). IronE is also categorized as a "Shakespearean Actor." The only Shakespeare I have been able to find on his resume (or anywhere else on the internet, as it relates specifically to his body of work), is a bit from Richard III included in the body of his one-man show. This does not make IronE a Shakespearean actor. Inflating his credits only hurts your article. Notability and credibility are the issues here. I again respectfully suggest that you rewrite the article, providing citations for statements and linking to some actual reviews or articles of the artist's work, written by third parties. I hope this is helpful. Rudybowwow (talk) 21:22, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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