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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 00:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Islam: What the West Needs to Know

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Non Notable Film. Has not progressed beyond a stub. Film has not been distributed and has only ever had one showing. No reason to keep. Irishpunktom\talk 12:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It should be noted that this article has been through AfD before, found here. Pepsidrinka 12:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment:Would you mind explaining what that (i.e., the 3 editors voting within 30 minutes) has to do with anything? I for one did not get any message telling me to vote. I don't need to justify myself, but here goes. The article is on my watchlist. I looked at the difference link. I saw this. Wow, there must be some sort of conspiracy going on. You better watch out for the cabal. Pepsidrinka 13:28, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You said it , I didn't, why would you suggest such an outrageous possibility?.--CltFn 14:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What are you implying, kindly be explicit with your accusations. --Irishpunktom\talk 14:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Since we're tracking meaningless information, note that the three editors who voted to keep also did so within about 30 minutes. Spooky. ;) . --Lee Hunter 15:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And if ";) .", "15:04", "10", "2006", and "(UTC)" are each counted as words, then there were exactly 30 words in your post! {shiver} Шизомби 15:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps I need to be more explicit to CltFn and any other editor who didn't catch my sarcasm. The link I provided to cabal goes to WP:TINC, where if you go to TINC, you will see what that means. There is no cabal. Pepsidrinka 23:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure I understand this vote. How can you keep (or delete something) per someone, and that someone be yourself? Second of all, your timestamp is complete off. [2] That is the diff link, and it clearly shows he voted on March 13, 2006 at 17:34 (UTC). Pepsidrinka 19:34, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Clearly there is no point in deleting films that have been shown at film festivals, particularly if they get talked about on the net. -- JJay 19:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Once is good enough for me. Think of how many films get made every year and how few get shown at film festivals. I'm in awe that these auteurs could take on a difficult subject like Islam and get it shown in a festival. When it happens again, wikipeida will be there as a source of encyclopedic coverage of this documentary. -- JJay 20:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't it a bit POV to throw around adjectives like non-notable in a discussion like this? Is it non notable because you say so? Maybe it's notable because I say so. Maybe what matters and what underpinned my vote is that it was verifiably shown at a film festival. Now I'll hand the soapbox back to you -- JJay 23:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing wrong with POV on AfD, thank you. It is non-notable because there are no reliable sources that discuss the film, and therefore any commentary on it is unverifiable. The only borderline source is the worldnetdaily.com website, which mentions the film only in passing and provides no analysis. Finally, the phrase "film festival" means nothing to me. For all I know, in Hollywood all you need to do is play a few tapes in your parents' basement, and it's a film festival. The only way we can decide whether these things are worth covering is if other sources have already covered them, and they haven't. Now, let me ask: if we assume that the film is never screened again, and never mentioned again even on the Internet, would you still want to keep the article? Melchoir 00:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well considering they were just showing a few tapes in my parents' basement (not that my parents live in Hollywood but why quibble) they sure put a lot of money into the festival website. [3] And they do of course prominently list the film in the screening schedule [4]. Since you have already pointed to other sources I'll not search further. I will say I didn't know our role was to analyze films, in that case there are 195 flicks at Category:Television films that could use some attention, perhaps we should start with Scooby-Doo_in_Arabian_Nights. However, to answer your question that I previously answered (i.e. Once is good enough for me): Yes, if the film is never shown again, if all prints are burned in a giant auto-da-fe on Hollywood Boulevard, I would still want to keep the article. -- JJay 00:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then that is where we differ. I believe it is not our job to reward with a permastub nonarticle every brave group that promotes themselves on their own website and gets written about on one blog, and I hope the community agrees with that. Melchoir 00:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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