- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sr13 09:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- J.R. Williams (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
Actor that won a regional award (the Golden Apple) for Best Supporting Actor in a Musical. All the article is unsourced. -- lucasbfr talk 10:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The source link for the theatre indicates that this supporting actor "award" is nothing more than a local, amateur, community theatre group honoring it's own performers every year. It is not an accomplishment in professional theatre, as the article purports. And the other "awards" are for high school competition. Nothing here meets Wikipedia standards of notability.--208.127.115.247 11:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- delete as failing WP:MYSPACE, WP:BIO, WP:VERIFY and WP:NOT. I also suggest that it falls under WP:COI, or WP:OR if you assume good faith - the sources in the article only mention his Golden Apple and his debating awards, yet there is a lot of biographical info in this article that seems to be coming from the author. Note, I personally cut away a lot of the content before this AfD began (stuff that I thought egregiously violated WP:NPOV and WP:LIVING), and I asked the original author to provide references, providing him a list of Wikipedia policies that the he should try to meet, letting him know that the article was in danger of AfD as it stood back then. He has been editing the article over the past day, and thinks he's fixed it (as he took down all my warning boxes), but I guess he simply can't find enough sources to back the article up to the level Wikipedia requires. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 12:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment - if you look in the history you'll note I originally {{prod}}ded the article. Eastmain found a couple sources for it and let me know, and then I removed the {{prod}} because the original writer had come back and started working on the article. I wanted to give him a chance to clean it up. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 12:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Listen, I commend you for your patience with the author. You're clearly dealing in good faith and making every effort to allow the author to meet Wikipedia standards. But I think it's equally clear that you two are working at cross purposes. While your goal is to have the article conform to standards, the author's rather obvious goal is to post an (auto)biography. Headings like "Early Life" and "Family" prove as much. And at the end of the day, I suspect, the result will be the same. Simply because nothing in the article rises to the level of notability. So no amount of editing/rewriting can address what simply isn't there. I've discussed this in detail on your talk page, so there's no sense in beating the dead horse more here. But ultimately I'll leave it as your call. Although I must say that I can't even name another editor who would be this generous. And as you know, it's probably only a matter of time before someone else does end it. But again, kudos to you.--208.127.115.247 01:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No problem, I was just giving background info above. As you see up there, I also voted delete, as I do think the article fails notability as it stands. I just didn't want to be the person to actually instigate the AfD on this article. But I agree with everything you've said. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 12:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Listen, I commend you for your patience with the author. You're clearly dealing in good faith and making every effort to allow the author to meet Wikipedia standards. But I think it's equally clear that you two are working at cross purposes. While your goal is to have the article conform to standards, the author's rather obvious goal is to post an (auto)biography. Headings like "Early Life" and "Family" prove as much. And at the end of the day, I suspect, the result will be the same. Simply because nothing in the article rises to the level of notability. So no amount of editing/rewriting can address what simply isn't there. I've discussed this in detail on your talk page, so there's no sense in beating the dead horse more here. But ultimately I'll leave it as your call. Although I must say that I can't even name another editor who would be this generous. And as you know, it's probably only a matter of time before someone else does end it. But again, kudos to you.--208.127.115.247 01:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No vote --Infrangible 19:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete --208.127.115.247 03:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for utter failure to establish notability wrt wiki standards. Eddie.willers 01:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.