Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared Blake

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The result was delete. (and redirected to The Voice (U.S. season 1)) Black Kite (talk) 10:28, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsigned artist, no sources found beyond PR and stuff related directly to his standing on The Voice. Merely placing in a TV contest isn't enough. He has a publishing contract, but hasn't done anything with it yet. Author declined BLP Prod in October 2011 without comment. This currently seems to be a WP:TOOSOON, as I can't find anything that isn't from a PR mill. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:49, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Jared Blake has charted over 50 times on Itunes and was on a popular television show. Jared has released a single titled 'Don't Mind' since The Voice and has released the video as well that has almost 70,000 views on YouTube. He is currently working with producer Skidd Mills of Skiddco Music on his new album. All copyright problems have been resolved and I say that there is no reason to delete Jared Blake's Wikipedia page. User:TheresaStach —Preceding undated comment added 01:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Please read WP:NMUSIC. None of what you said is notable per the guidelines for music biographies. iTunes charts are not reliable. Being on the Voice is not sufficient if he hasn't done anything else. Getting views on YouTube is not a gauge of notability per our standards. If he's currently working on an album, then he might be notable later on, when the album's out. But right now, he's close but no cigar. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment It would be helpful if anyone supporting "keep" could refer to criteria under WP:NMUSIC. There are 12 ways to be notable. If anyone thinks the subject is notable, it would clarify the discussion to refer to one or more of the numbered criteria. Logical Cowboy (talk)

• Weak keep Meets criteria 1 at WP:NM. Found couple of Blake interviews that seem reliable and not from "PR mill". The problem for me here is missing inline citations. Needs to be improved, made more encyclopedic. --Sk4170 (talk) 22:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• How do you suggest something be "made more encyclopedic" from crap sources? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 22:07, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to specify that other than "crap" sources needs to be added. Here's a couple of interviews that I googled in less than five minutes. [1] [2] Can you shoot down both of them? They're no Rolling Stone, but still something and I'm sure there's more. Blake seems to be getting some exposure on country music radios and web publications after The Voice. --Sk4170 (talk) 23:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I think it would be permissable to cite those two sources in the article, but as they are interviews they are not really independent secondary sources which are needed to establish notability per WP:GNG. Logical Cowboy (talk) 00:54, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Now this is interesting. I was reading WP:NM, criteria 1 and its note, especially this sentence: "The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it.", not the general guidelines. Most material you get about musicians that is not strictly self-promotion, is interviews and reviews. There are no in-depth articles available that are not even in small part interviews, unless the band or the artist is well-established chart-topping award or song-contest winning act playing arenas and stadiums. In those cases the artist most probably meets several counts of the WP:NM criteria anyway. The guidelines are very strict, if interviews don't count in establishing notability in any case. --Sk4170 (talk) 11:01, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Music Row Magazine named Renegade Radio Nashville as the first ever Internet Radio Station to report their weekly playlist. As a reporting station, Renegade joins the Music Row Panel in determining the artists that will top the country music radio charts and has the subject (Jared Blake) in regular rotation therefore this article meets WP:MUS (Criteria for musicians and ensembles number 11)TheresaStach (talk) 05:26, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Internet charts are not reliable per WP:BADCHARTS. If he were on the main Country Breakout chart from Music Row, then maybe. Also, don't vote more than once. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 06:12, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Criterion 9 states clearly "Has won or placed in a major music competition." In Ten Pound Hammer's first statement he agrees that the artist "Placed" in a TV show. Being one of the highest ranking shows on NBC would certainly classify The Voice as a major music competition. WP:MUS Has won or placed in a major music competition. GlenerationX (talk) 06:40, 24 June 2012 (UTC) — GlenerationX (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• He was a very low placer though, and hasn't yet done anything outside The Voice. Also, SPA alert. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 06:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Thanks for the comments. But where I come from, to "place" is to come in second place, or maybe in the top 3. If understand correctly, he was not in the top 8, but instead came out somewhere in 9th-16th place. Perhaps WP:NMUSIC is ambiguous, but I would not consider someone in 9th-16th place as "placing" for the purpose of notability. Logical Cowboy (talk) 07:00, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment In a horse race I would agree with your reference to placing, however, this was a competition in which thousands of people auditioned for, so finishing in the Top 16 would not necessarily be considered a low placer.TheresaStach (talk) 07:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• — TheresaStach (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 07:51, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment My points are valid, calling me out on my first article does not change that.TheresaStach (talk) 08:24, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to The Voice (U.S. season 1). He made it far enough in the competition, IMO, to justify a redirect, and it's a reasonable search term. Unlike season 2 contestant (and fellow AfD nominee) Charlotte Sometimes, it appears all of his coverage is tied to the TV show. Without indepedent notability, redirecting seems appropriate.  Gongshow ^Talk 19:12, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 10:11, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to the appropriate "The voice" articleSeasider91 (talk) 10:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect as above; I agree with User:Gongshow. I realize that WP:REALITY has not achieved consensus in its favour, but I find it useful, well-reasoned and a fair test. Mr. Blake appears to me not to meet criteria nos. 4 or 7 and no others seem to apply. Ubelowme (talk) 14:49, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Does not meet any criteria at WP:MUSICBIO, so would need to at least meet WP:BIO. Interviews are primary sources and cannot establish notability, association with someone who won a national award does not establish notability, and trivial coverage in many show related sources does not confer notability. --Tgeairn (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - see no reason for a redirect. A random sampling of 5 of the people listed on The Voice article all have WP:N due to actually releasing albums/singles, or acting in films or on TV. At present, I don't think Mr. Blake hasn't yet achieved notability. Vertium (talk to me) 02:33, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for WP:BLP problems. Most bio material is unsourced or poorly sourced. Redirect to The Voice (U.S. season 1) is not appropriate because that article doesn't contain bio's of other participants. For [[WP:NMUSIC, I agree with nom; WP:TOOSOON. DocTree (talk) 04:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails WP:MUSICBIO. I'm flabbergasted that anyone, as some do above, consider an ephemeral reality show a "major music competition." Sorry, we're talking something like the Van Cliburn competition or Eurovision; something that is renowned worldwide, with a measure of enduring notability. Ravenswing 19:11, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and Redirect to The Voice (U.S. season 1) - Blake is not currently notable enough for a stand-alone article, but it's a valid search term. If he meets notability in the future, the article can be created again. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 12:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.