Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Gerald Branch II

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Gerald Branch

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The current content of this article is a complete duplicate of Joseph Branch (Florida politician). The following statement is all about Joseph Branch (Florida politician), not his son:

assassinated November 22, 1867
a state legislator in Florida at the age of 21, worked as a lawyer, and had a plantation in Desha, Arkansas
married Mary Polk

Evidence here: in that article, says:

Joseph Branch is son of Joseph Branch and Susan Simpson O'Bryan
His uncle is John Branch
He married Annie Pillow Martin and Mary Jones Polk; by Polk, he has a son Joseph
Children also include Lucia Eugenia Branch
state legislator in Florida at the age of 21 and had a plantation in Desha, Arkansas

Note the point 2-4 above meets the content of Joseph Branch (Florida politician). GZWDer (talk) 13:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Arkansas. Shellwood (talk) 14:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree there is potential for conflation here. @GZWDer: Can you provide a proper citation for the link above rather than just a bare URL? There appears to conflicting records and a dearth of reliable sources on this, but this source states that Joseph Branch, the Florida Attorney General, was a brother of Lawrence O'Bryan Branch and was "murdered by renegades" in Arkansas in 1866 [sic]. Mary Polk Branch in her memoir writes she was married to "Col Joseph Branch", "a member of the legislature at twenty-one, and president of a bank", on Nov. 29, 1859, and that Colonel Branch was shot to death by a drunken Doctor Pendleton in November 1867. However, a genealogical entry later in the book states that a "Joseph Gerald Polk" is the son of Joseph Branch and his second wife Mary Polk Branch, and this son was "a member of Legislature of Florida at twenty-one, a successful lawyer and planter in Desha bounty, Arkansas, where he amassed a very large fortune. He was assassinated on his plantation November 22, 1867." --Animalparty! (talk) 16:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Tricky. Per the collection of his papers, Branch the attorney general may have died in 1864. There is no indication of a Joseph Branch II in the list of every state legislator in Florida. Curbon7 (talk) 22:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This has a single source ("Memoirs of a Southern Woman") that is written and published by the Branch family - self written family histories are not great sources. As Curbon7 points out The People of Lawmaking in Florida 1822 – 2019 lists just one "Branch, Joseph" who was the Legislative Council in 1841 and Attorney General, 1845-1846 so is Joseph Branch (Florida politician). The memoirs say "Joseph Gerald Branch the third, Joseph Branch second, was a member of Legislature of Florida at twenty-one" but I can find no mention in the newspapers. A search of the newspapers found that a Colonel Joseph Branch was shot in Arkansas 1867 this and this but no mention of Florida, politics or Gerald as a middle name so cannot be linked to "Joseph Gerald" son of Joseph Branch (Florida politician). A search of the newspapers found that a Joseph H. Branch from Tallahassee, Florida did die 1864 - see this. KylieTastic (talk) 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per FamilySearch the one died in 1864 is his nephew. i.e. Joseph Branch (Florida politician) cited Joseph Branch Papers, 1830-1869, but the "Joseph Branch" mentioned there is his nephew. GZWDer (talk) 13:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is a poorly worded nomination (the text of the nominated article isn't a "complete duplicate"), but the article is entirely based on a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and, as Curbon7 points out, only Joseph Branch the attorney general shows up in the list of Florida legislators, eliminating a claim to notability under WP:NPOL. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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