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The result was delete. ✗plicit 14:43, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
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WP:POVFORK of Kambojas/Kamboj (trying to connect the latter to the former). Covered by WP:CASTE sanctions. Stunning WP:HOAXing of sources (that is why no links and URLs are given), here is what you find when you go to verify them: Puri makes no mention of Rajput/Kamboja in his entire book; Stein makes no mention of Kamboja in his book; Dirks again makes no mention of Kambojas; the same is the case with Thapar (have the copy); Yadav again makes no mention of Kambojas (also a non-RS); the Witzel source doesn't exist (no such publication by him); Raychaudhuri makes no connection between Kambojas/Rajputs; cannot verify The People of India but the source itself is non-RS (largely covered by WP:RAJ). Considering the formatting of the references and the content itself would not be surprised if LLM was used or if the content was lifted from dubious caste-based websites. Gotitbro (talk) 12:20, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Ethnic groups, History, Hinduism, Pakistan, India, and Punjab. Gotitbro (talk) 12:20, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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Keep – The article Kamboja Rajput clearly satisfies the requirements under WP:CASTE, WP:GNG, and WP:HISTRS. The subject is verifiable and notable through multiple reliable academic sources, including works by B. N. Puri, Romila Thapar, J. N. Singh Yadav, and the Anthropological Survey of India. This is not original research. The process of Rajputization, by which tribes like Kambojas, Shakas, and Hunas were integrated into Rajput identity, is well-documented by several historians (e.g., Dirks, Burton Stein, Thapar). The article cites reliable secondary sources with correct ISBNs, pages, and academic publishers. The article:
The Kamboja Rajputs are recognized by the Anthropological Survey of India as a distinct group with their own gotras and history. The article has been cleaned and significantly improved, and should be judged based on the current version — not outdated or poor earlier drafts. Oppose deletion. Support keeping the article. –– Kambojahistory Kambojahistory (talk) 06:03, 7 July 2025 (UTC) | |
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please avoid using an LLM to post your views here. Your own voice, even if English isn't your native language, carries more weight.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 15:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)- Delete - Citing original nominations concerns it looks like the contributor in question used a LLM given the nonexistent source and the sources cited don't support the conclusions drawn. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 19:07, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Seems to be a hoax and should be deleted per WP:HOAX. Ixudi (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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Look, I want to clarify a few things respectfully. All the points I’ve added about Kambojas are based on real, verifiable sources. The Mahabharata (Bhishma Parva 9.66) literally uses the word Kshatriya-vratya for them. Manusmriti 10.44 lists them as those who lost ritual status—not caste by birth. That’s not a hoax, that’s scripture. The Kamboja-Pala dynasty in Bengal is recorded in the Irda copper plate inscription. This isn’t some blog post—it’s cited by scholars like Sailendra Nath Sen in Ancient Indian History and Civilization (New Age International). Page number and ISBN available. I understand you’re saying this was “LLM-written.” I didn’t use AI to make up anything. I used historical frameworks like Rajputization, as described by Nicholas Dirks and Burton Stein. It’s not about making someone Rajput out of nowhere—it’s about showing how many warrior tribes were assimilated over time. That includes Gurjaras, Shakas, Hunas… and yes, Kambojas too. No one is asking you to agree. But calling it a hoax or fake without checking the actual books or sources feels unfair. If you find a wrong ref, I’m open to fixing it. But don’t dismiss everything outright just because it challenges assumptions. Let’s stick to facts. I’m not here for caste debates or superiority contests. I’m just documenting what’s verifiable. Kambojahistory (talk) 14:32, 14 July 2025 (UTC) | |
- Please stop using LLMs to write your comments. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 13:26, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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