Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karrar Ibrahim

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:04, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Karrar Ibrahim

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY, as he hasn't played for a senior national team or for a team in a fully-pro league. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:22, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:22, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:22, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:22, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question. The article is vague about his Olympic team membership. If he competed he qualifies for WP:NOLYMPICS. Anyone know if he did compete or not? No Great Shaker (talk) 15:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@No Great Shaker: He didn't play, according to GSA. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 15:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Nehme. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails NFOOTY and GNG. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep passes GNG, through U23 callup and death.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails GNG and NFOOTBALL, as per nom.Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - in addition to the U23 callup and death, there's other GNG coverage such as this and this. Also the Arabic version of the article at ar:كرار إبراهيم is well-referenced, mostly with references predating their death; not surprising given that article has existed since 2016! Nfitz (talk) 02:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Passing mentions of a call-up is definitely not GNG coverage. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was talking about the stuff other than his call-up and death. Nfitz (talk) 18:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My comment was about the two articles you linked. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:12, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hardly a passing reference! The first one is just about two keeps being called up and notes their excellence in club play in the previous season. The second is exclusively about Ibrahaim. Nfitz (talk) 21:00, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article 1: "The coach of the Olympic football team goalkeepers, Saleh Hamid, invited Al-Mina goalkeeper Karrar Ibrahim and Al-Samawa goalkeeper Mustafa Salloum to join the team".

Article 2: "The management of Al-Mina Al-Basry Club announced that it has renewed the contract with Iraqi Olympic team goalkeeper Karar Ibrahim to represent its football team in the next season 2016-2017".

Are we reading the same articles? Those are perfect definitions of "passing mentions". An article saying that someone got called up and another that he had his contract renewed is very far from satisfying WP:GNG. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 10:44, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why you are not quoting the key part of the article, which notes the high level of Ibrahim in the Premier League. Significant coverage means the article is primarily about him - and it is (or in one case two players). An entire article about a signing is significant coverage. Sure, coverage about a single even isn't enough. But that's not we have here. I suggest you read WP:GNG closely, and apply it, rather than your own interpration. Routine coverage refers to something like a sentence in a match report, that they were subbed in, injured, or something. Please withdraw this nomination, and stop nominating all these Iraqi football players. Nfitz (talk) 22:21, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus is leaning reasonably strongly to delete, some indication of coverage but it has been challenged. Would close as delete is nothing else is preseted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 13:40, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NFOOTY. Sources provided by Nfitz are too brief to be considered in-depth or significant coverage and are not convincing evidence towards meeting GNG.4meter4 (talk) 02:40, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the sources in the article and provided by Nfitz are significant coverage.Jackattack1597 (talk) 21:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - coverage is WP:ROUTINE and subject does not meet WP:NBIO. MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:56, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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