Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keysi Fighting Method

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Batman Begins. Black Kite (talk) 05:34, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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There seems to be a lack of independent coverage of this martial art and it doesn't seem to meet the notability criteria of WP:MANOTE. This style gained most of its attention for being used in Batman movies, but even that coverage only qualifies as passing mentions. I think the contents best belong in Batman Begins, but an attempt to put it there was reverted. I didn't find enough to support a standalone article, but I thought I'd let the WP community decide what to do with this article. Papaursa (talk) 18:28, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 18:28, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Batman Begins. As analogy, if a movie used an unusual cinematographic technique, it would be mentioned in the movie article. If the technique were used in several movies, it would be notably enough to have its own article. I think the notability of this Martial Art is dependent on the movie and belongs in that article. jmcw (talk) 22:09, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I think the reaction with the previous attempt to merge with Batman Begins was in part due to the size of the section. One or two lines max. If we want to keep the level of detail than there would have to be a separate article. The analogy with respect to the unusual cinematographic technique still holds - lots of detail means separate article. From another angle even though the notability is obtained from its inclusion in the film, that still makes it notable. Notability does not necessarily have to depend on number of schools or practioners. I am on the fence with respect to the article - is there such a choice as Weak Merge?Peter Rehse (talk) 05:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the passing mentions I saw confer notability, but I'm fine with merging (actually, it's what I'd prefer). Papaursa (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merging will not work since you would get the same reaction as last time. If this article is to be deleted a redirect to what is already in the Batman Begins film is all we can really hope for.

I have added a couple of lines to Batman Begins. Let's see if it survives.Peter Rehse (talk) 05:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Batman Begins. I have conducted a reasonably thorough search for independent sources on the Keysi Fighting Method, and have not found any reliable references to support the notability of the subject in its own right. There are very few substantial articles on the subject, and all of them refer to the subject in the context of the Batman movies. In reading the sources and the Wikipedia article as it currently stands, I do not see any clear justification for a separate article on the subject. Janggeom (talk) 16:27, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article should NOT be deleted. KFM is a legitamite style of Martial Arts that is unique to itself and it does not fall under any other Martial Art. With over 100 schools that span all over the World it is not a style that just a couple people are practicing, nor is it a style that was pieced together from other Arts. Both the techniques and the learning 'method" of this Martial Art are unique to KFM.

This year KFM will also be used in another action movie by the name of "One Shot" with Tom Cruise, which is scheduled to be released in December of 2012. Andy Norman (the KFM Co-Founder)personally trained Tom Cruise for the movie.

KFM continues to grow here in the USA as it is in Spain, Italy, the UK, Austrailia, Norway and now Canada. Any questions feel free to call me 917-596-2840 or go to any one of our websites: www.KFMNorthAmerica.com or www.KFMNewYork.com. I would be happy to verify all and any information about KFM. Thank You -John Leabo KFM North American Chief Instructor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.195.19.52 (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In order to show this art is notable, outside of the movies, there needs to be significant coverage of this art from reliable third party sources. If you have such sources you should add them to the article (or least give them here). Papaursa (talk) 21:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Go to Martial Arts illustrated (the Uk's number one Martial Arts Magazine), we are on the cover of their April magazine with Tom Cruise next to us. Here is the link: http://www.martialartsunltd.co.uk/martial-arts-illustrated

If you need more verifications then that let me know and I will supply. -John Leabo KFM North America Chief Instructor   http://www.martialartsunltd.co.uk/martial-arts-illustrated

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