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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Notability requires verifiable evidence in the form of reliable sources that are independent of the subject, and reasonable attempts to find such sources by the participants in this discussion have failed. The "keep" voters haven't produced such sources, and instead seem to be a case of WP:ITSNOTABLE. We may be able to have an article on this in the future if reliable sources become available, but for now deletion looks like the appropriate outcome. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 21:28, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kinetic Finance Limited Scam

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Disputed PROD, fails WP:GNG. I am unable to find in-depth coverage in reliable sources (source cited is more about an individual, and does not support majority of article text). Nouniquenames 15:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Nouniquenames 15:51, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • QuickComment - The article was created after the article text was clumsily increasing the article topic's entry in the 'Scams in India' article. All the information on this topic was made into a separate article. And secondly, from what I see on the source cited, all the information there is about the article itself. [The scam was executed by the two promoters of the company, whom the source mentions]. IMO, I see no reason for the article to be deleted. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:51, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As stated above, the article is to be bettered, and properly sourced, and not deleted. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep No reason to be deleted, as above. The article needs citations from reliable sources. The article is rewritten after this Afd and sources added.-Rayabhari (talk) 16:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The reliale sources are simply not available easily. The claims made in the article about the size of fraud is to be supported by reliable sources. Otherwise, the chairman of the company is founder of Kinetic group of companies in India, and the group as a whole seems OK. -Rayabhari (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 14:30, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Gongshow Talk 06:28, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just because financial scams happen all the time does not mean they should go entirely unlisted. By the very same logic, every other stub must be deleted. As mentioned above, this scam is an important part of the [Scams in India] article. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 11:16, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason for keeping. as previously stated no way this meets WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 01:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This is a tough one, but I think it hasn't passed the significant coverage guideline under WP:GNG. I searched around as much as I could and could only find this report from UNI, an Indian news agency. It feels to me like a minor scam that hasn't attracted a ton of coverage. I'd like to see coverage in major Indian newspapers, etc., but I simply can't find it. Is there any evidence that it exists? Until we see some, I think delete is the correct call. The sources cited (and others that I found) are people's blogs and websites, which hardly qualify as WP:RS. Some of the keeps seem to be based upon WP:NOHARM. "No reason to be deleted" is also not a reason for inclusion. --Batard0 (talk) 07:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I do think this event is notable and that it passes the criteria for WP:GNG. Only just, but enough for me to want the article to remain Fireflo (talk) 12:19, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Searching Google News and Google News Archives for ("kinetic finance" default) turned up a single hit: this article. Searching for ("kinetic finance" fraud) and ("kinetic finance" scam) yielded ditto. Searching the Times of India website for ("kinetic finance") with date range January 1, 2001--October 20, 2011 produced no hits at all. Searching the website of The Hindu for ("kinetic finance") with date range January 1, 2003--October 20, 2012 also produced no hits at all. There appears to be a fairly clear WP:NRVE failure here.
Note also that the article's description of the events as "fraudulent willful defaults" and "a scam" is unsourced; if the article's kept, these should be deleted as potentially libelous until they can be properly sourced. Ammodramus (talk) 02:44, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
please provide evidence of sources. LibStar (talk) 15:16, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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