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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Stubbify and start over. I'm open to arguments that the subject is noteworthy, but the existing content is plainly unsatisfactory and spammy. I've stubbified it; I suggest that the editors start over per johndburger's comments. If that doesn't work out, bring it back here to AfD. ChrisO 21:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Language technology

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    Highly unencyclopedic essay focused on arguing the historical importance of the topic, with a strong conflict of interest (see comment below). Much of the material is duplicated, with the same slant, at Human language technology and Weidner Communications Inc.. A deal of it is taken near-verbatim from the user agreement at www.fastfluency.org.

    New info: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Wydner Gordonofcartoon 18:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Delete Unable to find any significant information about this subject other than wikipedia mirrors. Wydner published an article in a journal in 95, and his software is listed for sale in a directory produced by the British Computer Society, but other than that I can find no references that determine his work is in the slightest notable. He appears to be better known for a method of teaching people to speak Spanish than for his machine translation work. JulesH 15:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete. This is very good spam, but it remains spam; its ultimate goal is to coöpt Wikipedia to improve the visibility of a commercial product. As such, it is vague and buzzwordy (Language technology is often called Human Language Technology (HLT) or Natural Language Processing (NLP) and consists of computational linguistics (or CL) and speech technology as its core but includes also many application oriented aspects of them) and ultimately unconvincing. - Smerdis of Tlön 16:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete: Under a good-faith reading of both the article content and the rationale for its inclusion (provided on the talk page) it is reasonable to conclude that the content violates all three of the general proscriptions enumerated under WP:SOAP. This is clearly a promotional piece for the primary benefit of Bruce Wydner.
    The supporting rationale states in relevant part:
       "As with many amazing events and discoveries it is often with hindsight 
    and after a period of disbelief and rejection, that acceptance is finally 
    achieved"
    It is fundamentally a misuse of WP to attempt to "shorten" or counteract the "period of disbelief and rejection" faced by an individual inventor, regardless of the intrinsic merit or novelty of his or her ideas. That is the very definition of advocacy. There are numerous other problems with the content as well, some already discussed above, but on this basis alone, the content seems entirely inappropriate. dr.ef.tymac 18:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Disambiguation would be useful here, because of the apparent subtle differences in overlapping terminology. An independent article, in contrast, seems duplicative -- and likely to perpetuate confusion among General Audience readers and contributors. dr.ef.tymac 15:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - Any thoughts on whether Weidner Communications Inc. should be AFD'd too. Same problems apply, but with the proviso that there's a grain of truth: Weidner was/is a player in the MT market. However, I don't have much faith in the neutrality of the selection of sources. I've become even more suspicious of a promotional angle on seeing that a Darren Perkins also gave the single (positive) review to Wynder's book on Amazon [1], and that the [[:Image:Bruce Wydner.jpg|Bruce Wydner image] here is the same as that on the fastfluency.org website. Gordonofcartoon 13:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      That article is extremely unencyclopedic. It is blatant advertising too. Whether anything can be salvaged there depends on what reliable sources can be found, but I'd say in the best case it should be pared down to a few factual paragraphs. But who is going to do that? The easiest is to delete it and start over. If the company is notable (something I don't know), sooner or later someone may create a neutral, encyclopedic article on it. However, here is not the spot to have that discussion. You can prod the article for non-notability, use the article's talk page to challenge notability and demand evidence of coverage by independent sources, and if that does not produce satisfactory results, take it to AfD.  --LambiamTalk 20:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment—The phrase (Human) Language Technology is usually taken in the field to include speech processing, and possibly Information Retrieval, while the phrase Natural Language Processing does not typically include these. There is a great deal of overlap, and I agree that there is some potential confusion, but (H)LT is not exactly synonymous with NLP. (And Machine Translation is definitely a sub-field within NLP.) If we revert to the stub, I will flesh it out a bit, and add some historical perspective as to when DARPA (I believe) began using the term HLT in the 1980s. If it gets deleted, I will probably re-introduce it anyway (unless of course that is blocked for some reason), with such content. —johndburger 13:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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