Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lejla Basic

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The result was keep. Practically unanimous, all deletes but one+nom were withdrawn after evidence of passing NFOOTY was presented. (non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lejla Basic

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Fails WP:NFOOTY; news coverage all routine for WP:GNG Mightytotems (talk) 20:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Mightytotems (talk) 20:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. She plays in the top-tier league in Sweden. That NFOOTY argues for keeping tens of thousands of articles on one-game male players who could not pass GNG in a million years but tries to suggest that career top-tier women players aren't notable isn't a problem with the articles or the topics, it's a problem with Wikipedia:WikiProject Football that needs correcting urgently. The Drover's Wife (talk) 20:25, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yes, top-tier league in Sweden and looks like a callup to Bosnia & Herzegovina national team. WP:NFOOTY is unreliable. Search Swedish, Bosnian Google, do the translation, and expand the article and refs. Article could use expansion, improved references per WP:ATD. Here are a few to get you started:

Hmlarson (talk) 23:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak ~~delete~~keep - Article about semi-pro footballer who has spent time in the top- and second-levels of Swedish football, and one appearance for the Bosnia and Herzegovina national team (per [1]). According to Soccerway, Basic hasn't featured regularly for her club in the top-level (16 league matches with only 5 of those as a starter was her largest total for a season). As primarily a bench player, Basic just doesn't have significant online coverage in reliable sources - I've tried and found little more than Hmlarson mentions above (the Östersunds-Posten source I added to the article is behind a paywall, but if you search their site, it's the only non-routine coverage she gets from the paper). Although it scrapes by the presumption of notability in WP:NFOOTBALL, I ~~just cannot see~~worry that this article cannot satisfy~~ing~~ the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 01:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She plays in a top tier league (Damallsvenskan). Meets WP:NFOOTY. End of story. And before anyone comes at me with a claim that most female leagues aren't included, that's because of a major failing of every Wikiproject Football member on every level, whose biases on not documenting women's football is atrocious. Silverseren^C 05:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Playing in a top division does not mean a player meets WP:NFOOTY. The league has to be fully-professional, which the Damallsvenskan is not. Number 5 7 14:10, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as she clearly fails NFOOTY. Damallsvenskan is not a WP:FPL. No caps for national team either. --BlameRuiner (talk) 12:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails both GNG and NFOOTBALL. Playing in a top-tier league is irrelevant, the league must be fully professional (which hers is not). See WP:FPL. Giant Snowman 18:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as an international player, meeting NFOOTBALL. Thanks for finding/adding the sources. Giant Snowman 20:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So literally no women's leagues outside of the US and UK count as fully professional? How convenient. Silver seren^C 18:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't true - it's only the top division in the US and England that are fully pro. The Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish leagues aren't.Dougal18 (talk) 20:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NFOOTY failure. Number 5 7 14:10, 25 March 2020 (UTC)Keep per WP:NFOOTY, as she has a senior international cap. Number 5 7 22:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Yep, looks like we've got the rudiments of GNG here. WP:NFOOTY is nonsense and not applicable to female players. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 18:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: plays in the top of Damallsvenskan. NFOOTY clearly met. Also per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 15:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- The Damallsvenskan is listed as a non-fully professional league at WP:FPL, so NFOOTY is not met. Number 5 7 12:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per The Drover's Wife. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 16:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per The Drover's Wife. (or delete the thousands of articles for equivalent male football players...) Cheers, 1292simon (talk)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not seeing GNG myself here, keep votes need to start talking about sources more. there's something here, but at best this is a no consensus at the moment and worst a delete. There's several keep votes here pushing an agenda rather than discuss the article. Unless additional comments are added in the next week or so I am of the mind to ignore them as not addressing the subject at hand. This would mean I would probably then close as delete base on the strength of the arguments presented.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 22:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NFOOTY. She played in an international match for Bosnia and Herzegovina against Croatia, and therefore passes NFOOTY criteria #3, "Have played FIFA recognised senior international football or football at the Olympic games." The fact that NFOOTY treats woman's football as inferior is a serious problem that should be rectified, but that is not a matter for this AfD. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a table to help assess compliance with the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 00:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment She did play an international match for Bosnia and Herzegovina against Croatia as per this and hence shoudl pass WP:NFOOTY.Only thing was it a any Tier 1 International Match.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.op.se/logga-in/mittfaltaren-har-blommat-ut-under-nya-tranaren-jag-har-fatt-ett-stort-fortroende	Östersunds-Posten is an independent newspaper	Regional newspaper for Jämtland County	The source appears to discuss the subject directly and in detail, but it is hidden behind a paywall	? Unknown
https://www.laget.se/kiforebrodffalag/news/5612317	KIF Örebro DFF is Basic's employer, and the article is an interview with the subject	The football club published the interview	The source discusses the subject directly and in detail	✘ No
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=159&artikel=6561157	Sveriges Radio is a national public radio station	National public radio for Sweden	The source discusses the subject directly but not in detail	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Speedy Keep Passes WP:NFOOTY by virtue of playing an international match regardless of league status and also WP:GNG with ample sourcing including [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], plus all the sources above. And there are more but this is getting to be overkill. All of the delete !votes are based on the false premise that she fails NFOOTY. This should be speedily closed to avoid wasting any more time than it already has. Smartyllama (talk) 17:43, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Pinging Number 57 and BlameRuiner who both !voted delete based on NFOOTY before evidence of a clear pass via other criteria was discovered. Smartyllama (talk) 22:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets both GNG and WP:N. Not sure why this user is choosing now to do AFDs on notable female footballers. Nfitz (talk) 18:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sppedy Keep and Snow Close She is an internacional player, hence, she pass WP:NFOOTY. Since, the player clearly pass WP:NFOOTY, this should be closed.--SirEdimon (talk) 01:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because she played for Bosnia (once). The Croatian FA don't have the game in their stats list though. Dougal18 (talk) 07:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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