Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Level Plane Records

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Erik9 (talk) 01:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Level Plane Records

Non-notable record company who do not establish stand alone notability with significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources per the notability guidelines for companies and organizations. While the bands themselves maybe notable, I feel this doesn't automatically transfer to their label. Article was tagged, sources searched for, but noting of substance was found, so I'm putting it out to the community. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 01:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. — Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 01:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. — Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 01:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think anyone can properly judge so many unrelated articles in one AfD. Please relist as separate AfDs. Thanks Gigs (talk) 01:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
relist separately, too much to consider at one AFD, imho. Umbralcorax (talk) 02:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done and done. Bloody silly idea once I looked back at it. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 03:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Substantial feature from Stylus magazine here, plus there's this, and this, which are not in-depth, but don't hurt.--Michig (talk) 07:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The nominator seems to be asking for a referendum on the notability of record labels, having nominated a dozen or so, nearly all of which I believe are worth keeping. WP:CORP is a silly straitjacket to be judging independent record labels by. Let's think about what makes record labels noteworthy (in the real world). Well, what they do is put out records; people know and care about them because of the music they put out into the world. The story, then, is the artists much more often than the label, and news agencies know this, which is why they very rarely write full articles about labels; in fact, they almost never do this in comparison with how much they write about musicians. They generally do this only for major labels (whose business is large enough to make the financial papers) and labels which become so venerable and storied as to be iconic (Blue Note, Sun, etc.) such that they begin to acquire book-length treatments.

What is really needed is for WP:MUSIC to come up with a standard of worth for labels which have a clear cultural importance based upon the music they release. Which it actually does, buried in the artists' section - a label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of many notable musicians. This is not circular and does not violate WP:NOTINHERITED, as is often claimed; the notability of the artist is not based upon whether or not the label has an article, although this is sometimes used as a lazy shorthand. There are many labels without articles that fit these criteria. Much as we do with artists who are members of more than one clearly notable band but who are not themselves the subject of extensive news coverage, I think it is sensible to do the same with labels. Maybe not for one or two notable bands, but if a label has or had a roster of half a dozen or a dozen notable acts, this is evidence of cultural importance. The actual number and length of time to "pass muster" can be decided on case-by-case bases, but it's thoroughly destructive to go about deleting plainly important things based upon a Procrustean yardstick. Chubbles (talk) 11:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that we need separate criteria for independent record labels rather than applying WP:CORP, but not all labels are notable enough for an encyclopedia article, and until we have some agreed criteria, we can only judge each label on its merits. It would be helpful if you could address the label in question in this and the other AFD's as I don't feel your comments will otherwise carry much weight with whoever closes the discussion. --Michig (talk) 14:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. The fact that Level Plane released albums by City of Caterpillar, Envy, Hot Cross, Melt-Banana, The One AM Radio, Saetia, and Racebannon makes this one of the premier hardcore punk labels of the 1990s/2000s. Chubbles (talk) 14:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per above. Iowateen (talk) 00:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In generaL, a record label such as this one should be significant enough to keep. AyaK (talk) 23:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.