Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of manual labour tasks
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. BigDom 14:35, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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List of 'manual labour' jobs - potentially endless list as even a CEO will carry his briefcase and manually sign documents with a pen. Peridon (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)}}[reply]
- Delete Obvious joke page (fluffer, anyone)? From the same user that brought you the List of fictional animal-powered transport. Sweet Zombie Jesus. Lugnuts (talk) 18:28, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually fluffer was my proposal, check the talkpage. Yoenit (talk) 20:20, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I created the list with the fictional animal-powered transport in order to offload these from Animal powered transport where they had been mixed in. By creating the list of the fictional ones I ensured that nobody got offended. --hulagutten (talk) 23:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually fluffer was my proposal, check the talkpage. Yoenit (talk) 20:20, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and gently (or firmly) caution user against creating similar would-be joke pages in the future. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and recommend that the user consider taking their talents to someplace like The Onion instead of Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 19:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I believe the user is genuine and this is not a joke page. Check the discussing on the talkpage after he declined my prod. As Peridon argues this is really just a list of all potential physical actions, which is far too general a scope too be of any use. Yoenit (talk) 20:20, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I pinched the idea from your prod, actually. I've been trying to think of a job that doesn't involve manual action (in the definition used in the article, as opposed to heavy labouring like a navvy). The only one I can think of the case of Stephen Hawking, but that's him not the job as such and he has people to do the physical part. Peridon (talk) 20:59, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep From what I gather, the arguments for deleting the page are:
1. The list is not useful. 2. The list will be too long.
With regards to the usefulness of the page I have described the following usecases for the list in the discussion of the article: - It can help people with disabilities to see all the manual labour tasks they will still be able to perform - Respect for all the types of manual labour tasks performed and the skills needed for doing them. This is especially important in western countries where manual labour is considered to be low status work - It can help in the discussion of what kinds of tasks it would be useful for robots to automate - It helps answering the question: "I know there are 1 million employees in Denmark, but what do they actually do all day?". The answer is probably that they do a mixture of the items on this list.
With regards to the length of the page I honestly do not believe that the list will be unreasonably long. The first category is "handling", which includes the majority of manual work undertaken in modern factories and back-office functions (paper handling). If one includes "typing", I believe that we have covered around 30% of the time spent in the service and production sector. The point is to not make "typing on a typewriter" into a manual labour task, but rather generalize it into "typing". If we generalize like this, my guess is that the list will contain 200 items if it was ever to be completed.
If I am wrong and the actual number of activities is 1000, then it could easily be split into separate pages. Another list I created was list of emerging technologies, which has more than 1k viewers per day and has grown considerably from when I started it. I have proposed to split it up, and it probably will when it gets too long.
It is though important to note that the point of the list is not to have all the activities listed, just having the majority would be interesting reading. It would therefore not be inaccurate when it is not finished (I have marked it as a stub because of this). This is, however, Wikipedia and not some minor publication, I believe we are capable of completing this list over time. Please, keep it.--hulagutten (talk) 09:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:11, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:11, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this is practically a random collection of stuff. Roger (talk) 09:25, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Tasks of this kind have been classified and analysed by researchers and bodies such as the Department of Labor. For example, see Handbook for analyzing jobs which classifies such tasks as setting up, feeding/off-bearing, &c. Analyses of this kind are therefore notable and should be improved rather than deleted per our editing policy. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:44, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your competent support. I viewed the book you referenced, but exactly page 235 was not available for viewing, the page before and after was however. --hulagutten (talk) 13:51, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Pointless list of nearly infinite length: talking, walking, running, jumping, eating, drinking, sleeping, taking pills (medical research subject), scratching someone else's itchy ass (personal care assistant), wiping said ass, watching TV, reading, writing, typing, sweeping floors, polishing floors, vacuuming floors, installing floors, removing flooring, measuring for flooring (which is actually bending over + kneeling + lifting (measuring tape) + putting down (measuring tape) + looking (at measuring tape)...), oh fluffing (I think we should separate out hand, and tongue work, and sucking and blowing on this one), fucking/being fucked, ... - SummerPhD (talk) 14:16, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and include a reference to the aforementioned Handbook in Manual labor. Regarding SummerPhD's comments, "tongue work" is lingual labor. Only "hand work" is manual. And I'll keep my tongue in my own cheek. Matchups 02:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Come on, folks, this is clearly a joke. Listing "killing" and "demolishing" as manual labor tasks? Listing "executioner" as an example of someone who carries out medical service? Listing "carrier" as an example of someone who carries, and "cleaner" as an example of someone who cleans? Looking at the history this may have started life as a straightforward article, but it certainly isn't one now. --MelanieN (talk) 20:43, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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