Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lord of Thuringia and Hesse

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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:54, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lord of Thuringia and Hesse

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As some historical topics can be hard to reference, I'm bringing this one to AfD. It was tagged for speedy as a hoax, on the grounds that the references didn't mention the subject. The ones I have looked into don't. Also, there is too much of the 'little is known about' which is reasonably common in hoaxes. Created by an SPA. I think it's a hoax, but not blatant enough for CSD. Peridon (talk) 19:42, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I was the one who tagged it as a hoax. DrKiernan (talk) 19:50, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Hoax. FallingGravity (talk) 23:16, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete; certainly seems like a hoax to me. (I wonder what searching the textdumps for "little is known about" would bring us...) Andrew Gray (talk) 20:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea to me... Peridon (talk) 21:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't. Just tried it. First three pages of ghits were all genuine 'not known abouts'... Peridon (talk) 21:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - hoax. He is supposed to have been "born in 1199 CE, to noble born personages in the Teutonic Kingdom of Livonia". There was no such place: that area was not conquered until the Livonian Crusade starting in 1198, the Teutonic Knights did not operate in that area until after 1225 when they were thrown out of Hungary by King Andrew, and there was not a Kingdom of Livonia until the 16th century when it was a Russian client state.

"At age 19 (i.e. in 1218) he joined Grandmaster Otto I military service." In the list of Grand Masters of the Teutonic Knights the only Otto was Otto von Kerpen, 1200 - 1208, too early to fit this story, and succeeded not by "Otto II" but by Heinrich von Tunna.

Completely fails WP:V - not one of the cited sources mentions him. It's a pity that so many people tidy up articles like this, and do not take a minute to check whether the references mention the subject. JohnCD (talk) 10:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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