Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makravank Monastery

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The result was keep. JodyB_talk 15:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Makravank Monastery

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Fails WP:NOTE. Lack of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Cirt (talk) 20:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

keep By virtue of it being a tenth century monastery alone. Sources are plenty: [1]

-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 22:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - With one exception, these sources appear to refer to the village of the same name, not the monastery. --Rrburke^ekrubrR 23:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a frivolous nomination. Not a whole lot of English-language sources, but it seems reasonable to assume that there are Greek, Armenian and Turkish sources on this old monastic complex. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There are actually two articles on Armeniapedia - [2], [3]. The second, spelled "Makaravank", has much more detail (and cites an offline source - "Architectural Ensembles of Armenia", by O. Khalpakhchian, published in Moscow by Iskusstvo Publishers in 1980 - although it has a strange online link). I've added it to the article. -- Boing! said Zebedee 08:18, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Surprisingly, Makaravank Monastery and Makravank Monastery are two different places. Bradt Travel Guides mentions both, and gives different locations. But it is impossible to believe that there are no more independent sources for this one, although it may need editors who understand Russian or Armenian to find good ones. The complex has been there for 1,000 years, and is quite conspicuous. People must have noticed it and commented on it. I may dig around a bit more. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Ha, that is confusing - thanks for removing my incorrect ref -- Boing! said Zebedee 14:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are some Russian books that mention Монастырь Макраванк here, but mostly snippets. Wish I understood Russian. Google translate of titles gives "Features fine art of medieval Armenia", "Industry, construction and architecture of Armenia", "Road Mher: Armenian legends", etc. There are no Armenian books that mention Մակրավանք, but a fair number of regular web hits which mostly seem to be pictures, wiki clones, travel guides etc that add no new information. Wish I knew Armenian. But clearly quite few people have noted the monastery. Interesting architecture. I suppose it was built in dangerous times, and doubled up as a fortress. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per Eupator. Sardur (talk) 06:30, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Utmost Super Strong Keep. If it exists in real life, then I don't see why not to have a Wikipedia article on it. Serouj (talk) 07:24, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Can't believe this has bene nominated when we have thousands of unsourced articles which aren't even verifiable!! ‡ Himalayan ‡^ΨMonastery 15:51, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.