Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manolis Moniakis

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The result was Keep per WP:ATHLETE and WP:NFOOTBALL Mandsford 17:42, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Manolis Moniakis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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• Konstantinos Kritikos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I could find little information about this person on the internet except for birth date, gender, and other listing of statistics. Wikipedia should not reflect such a list of stats about a single person. The article also claims that he played in a notable team, but just because the team might be notable (and warrant an article about it) does not make this person notable. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 22:01, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Note. I denied the speedy on these players not because they had played for a notable team but because they had played for a team that's in a fully professional league (Kritikos has, apparently, played once for Zakynthos, who are in Gamma Ethniki, a fully professional league; Moniakis has played for Ergotelis and OFI Crete both of which appear to have been in at least Beta Ethniki, again a fully professional league). As such they would appear to meet WP:NFOOTY and that's enough to avoid speedy, although whether they are actually notable will also depend on what games they played in, something I haven't checked as it had no bearing on the speedys. Dpmuk (talk) 22:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep both Currently there are some notable transfers being discussed in the Greek news concerning Moniakis. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 17:18, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Why does this make him notable? Have you read WP:CRYSTAL Spiderone 11:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The discussions are not speculation. There are numerous articles about this defender, who is already notable in my opinion, in the Greek newspapers. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 13:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As it stands, you've not demonstrated any SUBSTANTIAL coverage of the player. Nothing more than passing mentions Spiderone 13:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spiderone, I have to disagree. Moniakis has received plenty of detailed coverage (particularly his doping incident). There is plenty available to flesh this article out when time permits. Deletion would be unnecessary and unhelpful. Jogurney (talk) 13:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A 4-year contract with Olimpiakos, signed this week, for a footballer who played internationally with the national under-21 side is notable enough. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 14:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Article about footballer who played in the fully-pro Greek second division top flight with OFI. He is the subject of numerous Greek-language articles (I've added one as an inline cite) and easily passes NSPORTS. Jogurney (talk) 18:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • After further investigation, I feel even more strongly that this article should be kept. He's played 30 matches in the Greek Superleague and is the subject of plenty of coverage. Jogurney (talk) 13:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Jogurney (talk) 02:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 15:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Moniakis and delete Kritikos Spiderone 22:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: My keep counts for both players since Kritikos is currently playing for a Gamma Ethniki team at Zakynthos which meets WP:FOOTBALL and is on loan from Olympiacos which is the most successful team in Greece (according to Wikipedia). Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 00:18, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep both. Moniakis has played numerous times in the Greek top division, and Kritikos has played in the fully-professional Gamma Ethniki, according to his profile at the Greek League website, so both pass WP:NSPORTS#Association football. Unfortunately my Greek isn't up to much, but if Greek football coverage is anything like English, a big-club youngster on loan to a lower-division club should have enough background for those who can read it to be able to improve the article. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - References demonstrate that he passes WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. Kugao (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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