Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meltemi (operating system)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Sandstein 06:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Meltemi (operating system)

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This article is pure speculation about a rumoured operating system. You will have to look through the edit history to see what content used to be there as it was blanked. See WP:CRYSTAL for more info. Millermk90 (talk) 05:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

* Delete ~~Keep~~ - no difficulty finding reliable sources - I have added a paragraph citing The Guardian's Technology Blog which is an allowable source (written by a journalist under a national newspaper's authority). I've also unblanked the former text, having checked it for copyvio: it seems OK on that score, though no doubt it needs further work. I agree with Millermk90 that the OS is not yet released: ~~what we are documenting, encyclopedically, is the reporting in the~~WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE reliable independent secondary sources of that system THIS IS STILL WP:CRYSTAL. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I just wanted to point out that these sources are not necessarily reliable, since Nokia has made no comments on the OS at all, and the root of all these news stories is a Wall Street Journal article citing "anonymous sources." Additionally, the article makes claims that are simply untrue, such as the claim that it "was announced in 2011", when it was never announced at all, and the given reference actually says that Nokia refuses to comment at all. Millermk90 (talk) 10:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 12:24, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: there is absolutely no ground for removal. WP:CRYSTAL applies only to discussion of the future events, while the article is about the ongoing effort. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 14:56, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:CRYSTAL does not only apply to future events. It says, "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors. While Wikipedia includes up-to-date knowledge about newly revealed products, short articles that consist only of product announcement information are not appropriate. Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creator(s), a series of products, or a previous product) if applicable. Speculation and rumor, even from reliable sources, are not appropriate encyclopedic content." Despite sources, this article really is speculation and rumour because Nokia has not formally made any comment about the product, despite nearly 2 months passing since the first rumours. Additionally, "more encyclopedic knowledge" is not yet available. Millermk90 (talk) 17:16, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm, you're right, that has to be the policy. On reflection I'm changing my !vote to delete (above). WP:CRYSTAL does apply here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:23, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems You're reading from the policy exactly the opposite to what it states. The information about Meltemi comes with no release announcement, but it is verifiable, thus passing the WP:CRYSTAL test. Just to be more precise: the WP:CRYSTAL prohibits articles on topics that are reported as rumors; the Maltemi is reported as an actual product with The Register confirming its existence. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 14:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 13:19, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's based on sources, and I don't think "collection of product announcements and rumors" means that we must always delete - of course we don't want to list every single announcement, but this is regarding the number one smartphone and mobile device company. We seem to have articles before official announcement on everything regarding Apple, after all (see [1] still active). If people disagree, then might I also suggested merging with Series 40? The information itself is still useful, and shouldn't be deleted, even if the topic is deemed not to deserve its own article yet. Mdwh (talk) 00:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's not about Series 40. So far analysts suggest that Meltemi would replace Symbian/S60 as the entry-level OS, i.e. the EPOC32 core will be replaced by the Linux core and the S60 UI from latest Symbian releases will be merged with MeeGo 'smartphone' UI. That's potentially dozens of end-user devices and dozen million sales - I don't see how it is unnotable when we have huge articles on Maemo and MeeGo which had very few end-user phones released and sold only several dozen thousands. Let it hang for now - if Meltemi doesn't really get any traction within a year or two, then delete it, right now it's quite promising to delete it right away. --Dmitry _{(talk•contibs)} 10:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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