Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mervyn Middlecoat

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The result was no consensus. Leaning towards keep. Stifle (talk) 13:08, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mervyn Middlecoat

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This Pakistani fighter pilot doesn't appear to satisfy WP:SOLDIER. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. A man who served his country well and died defending it, but like so many others who did the same doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Didn't do anything spectacularly out of the ordinary or notable, also didn't become an ace. Article is full of WP:PEACOCK and WP:WEASEL as well. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - not sure about this one just yet. I have found a few references, however admittedly there does not appear to be much out there in the way of reliable sources. That said a number of the Google Book results looked promising but I could only access them in snipet view, so it was difficult to say how much is actually in them (particularly the Bowman F-105 reference). The article claims the subject recieved a number of awards: the Sitara-e-Jurat a 3rd level award which he received twice, and the Sitara-i-Basalat, which is a non-operational award. Neither of these would confer notability under the WP:MILMOS/N. However, I am interested in seeing if other users can find any more sources before we decide what to do with this one. I share The Bushrangers concerns about how the article is written as well. Anotherclown (talk) 07:23, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A well known air force pilot in Pakistani military history. Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean you just delete the page. Mar4d (talk) 03:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Then you need to prove it. Dig up some sources that show he is notable. Just saying so isn't going to save the article. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Mar4d, if this guy is as well known in Pakistani military history as you say then there should be secondary sources which could be used as references. Can you provide any? Anotherclown (talk) 09:34, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to locate sources as soon as I have time, although please take in context that you can't expect to find everything in English - there may be something in Urdu on the web that I'll dig up. Mar4d (talk) 14:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's some mention here, here and on the PAF Museum site; Mar4d (talk) 14:20, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, the second of those isn't a WP:RS, but the other two might be useful. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Week Keep - Article needs improvement and needs additional references, but subject of article may meet WP:GNG with improvement. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:23, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The Sitara-i-Basalat appears to be the highest non-operational award. That, especially in combination with two operational awards, would appear to make him notable enough to keep. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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