- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 03:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is like Trunk Space (see above). Plus see list at bottom of page, especially http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._concert_venues . So we can just get ready for them all, plus the ones that follow because precedent has been set. Fails WP:N and WP:V but you decide what Wikipedia is to be. Mattisse 20:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - bad faith nomination - article was created with AfDs in mind, notability established on talk page as to avoid this very process. I will repeat reasons here.453 unique Google hits for "Modified Arts", 656 unique Google hits for "Modified" phoenix music Notable venue in major American city and its music and art scene. Coverage in multiple, non-trivial publications. See also 924 Gilman Street, ABC No Rio, Che Cafe, The Casbah, The Smell, etc., and the corresponding AfD discussions for Che Cafe and The Smell. "Get ready for them all?" Your acts do not seem to be either in good faith or civil, and since you already know about the previous AfDs and my assertions of notability, you just have your head in the sand. It does not fail WP:N and WP:V - the article was written with those in mind! PT (s-s-s-s) 20:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I just noticed that my whole state isn't even on that List of U.S. concert venues. And my state is one of the most populated in the US. In my city alone -- and it is not the biggest in the state -- there are dozens of concert venues at least as notable as Trunk Space and Modified Arts. I'm sure New York City must have more that the 12 listed. Humm. What to do? And that's just the US. We do have the whole world. Mattisse 20:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- So make articles for those venues! That's what I did. PT (s-s-s-s) 20:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - So you are saying that the fact that the 17 states listed on the Complete listing of U.S. concert venues are the only states with U.S. concert venus out of all the 50 states makes sense to you? Or would you consider that list might be somewhat skewed by the promotional and management agency listed at the end of some of those lists? It's not strange to you that 33 states have no concert venues at all, while Phoenix has almost as many as New Yourk City? Mattisse 23:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- No. I am saying Wikipedia does not come complete. It is organic, it is growing. Someone needs to include those 33 states. Someone needs to write articles about the venues from each of those states. You can not fault one editor for writing an article about something he or she is interested in just because other editors have not written corresponding articles for their areas. PT (s-s-s-s) 23:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - So you are saying that the fact that the 17 states listed on the Complete listing of U.S. concert venues are the only states with U.S. concert venus out of all the 50 states makes sense to you? Or would you consider that list might be somewhat skewed by the promotional and management agency listed at the end of some of those lists? It's not strange to you that 33 states have no concert venues at all, while Phoenix has almost as many as New Yourk City? Mattisse 23:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- So make articles for those venues! That's what I did. PT (s-s-s-s) 20:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Needs cited sources, but appears to be notable. Kellen T 03:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, ditto Kellen. 33,000+ ghits for "modified arts" phoenix. --heah 19:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, This is very much a part of Phoenix's cultural core. 4.240.251.167 03:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Needs properly-formatted cites, but looks notable. Wyatt Riot 14:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Appears to meet WP:N and WP:V. CDaniel 11:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.