Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammad Pazhutan

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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 01:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Pazhutan

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This article about a musician was proposed as a speedy under A7. I declined because it does assert notability, but I do see other concerns, not least of which is a lack of sourcing. There are some Google hits, but nothing under News or Scholar. Basically, the article would need to be rewritten for tone purposes, but I see nothing online that would allow us to source the rewrite. Shimeru 21:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 04:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete in addition to the nominator's concerns, the Persian-language GHits are largely of the same low quality as the English ones (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL). The best result I could find was [1] (Iran Art Review --- never heard of it, seems rather blog-like to me, not sure if it would pass WP:RS) --- the rest are just bulletin boards, gallery announcements, and the like. Nothing in mainstream newspapers. cab (talk) 04:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There is no record at Allmusic.com , not even his name! you can find most of Persian artists at allmusic.com even if they dont have a review. so I think this artist didnt release any album! , the article looks like a resume and has no source, It doesnt meet WP:Music --Spada 2 ♪♫ (talk) 05:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Mohammad Pazhutan is not a singer. He is not signed to any label yet and also does not sell his music so his name could not be found at Allmusic.com. He is simply an avant-garde composer working alone in the field of contemporary composition and music technology in a country where there is no official center for teaching the mentioned topics. He composes, researches and teaches single-handed and as I mentioned before he does not sell his music. Most of his compositions can be downloaded from his website for free. Remember he is not living in Paris or New York but in a city with no contemporary music scene. It is so naïve to think the only valuable music in such a huge planet are those mentioned in Allmusic.com.(Honey Haq (talk) 19:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]
Comment: Honey Haq is the author of this article, ok he's a musician, but wikipedia is not myspace or facebook, please read WP:Music and you will find out yourself that the article doesnt give any proofs of notability, Its just like a resume. and Its not just allmusic.com , Google hits are low quality too. as you said he's a musician who works alone with no official intenational releases. --Spada 2 ♪♫ (talk) 05:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:In the 21st century composers work in many different areas of the art of music. The sound installations and live performances of this artist are never covered by his country's newspapers due to the extreme difference and uniqueness to the other musicians there. Moreover, many types of music are banned there. Therefore, no international reports can be found about it. Though I cannot see anything resume-like in it I'm eager to change it the way you guide me. Please note there are other articles about Iranian composers in Wikipedia with no official releases. This is not unusual if you are familiar with their situation. (Honey Haq (talk) 07:38, 3 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]
Okay, but if he's never covered by any sources, then what are we supposed to base the article on? Shimeru 09:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is based on facts. There are reports from this composer's works that can be found on Domus (http://www.domusweb.it/upd_art/article.cfm?id=966&idtipo=3), Tehran Conservatory of music (http://www.tehranconservatory.ir/MenuR10a.asp?Sub=&id=298) and also http://amiralionly.tumblr.com/post/295509550/saba-the-wind-amirali-navaee-at-aun-art-gallery. We all know that there is no point to use a high technology encyclopedia (Wikipedia) as the facebok or myspace. I think for every anti-mainstream artist finding the proof of notability is so hard, let alone an artist who lives in such a situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Honey Haq (talk • contribs) 13:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I’m sorry non of the links can pass WP:RS and still no notability WP:Music, and in http://www.domusweb.it/upd_art/article.cfm?id=966&idtipo=3 the article says” …Composed and Performed by M. Pazhutan and H. Haq Mohammad Pazhutan: Computer Edit, Live Electronics, Programming Honey Haq...” hope its not you ! I still insist for deletion. --Spada 2 ♪♫ (talk) 16:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Yes, Honey Haq is me. But I am NOT Mohammad Pazhutan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Honey Haq (talk • contribs) 17:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom.Farhikht (talk) 13:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.