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The result was -- Cirt (talk) 00:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC) delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Nadeem Azam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)
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Businessman who does not meet notability standards. Article seeks to promote this person, though not blatantly. References provided do not qualify as reliable, with the exception of the SkyNews interview -- but even that is on the company's YouTube account and nearly unintelligible. (An article about his parent company, Azam Marketing, is also up for AfD; another article about a subsidiary website was speedy-deleted.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. —Nanodance (talk) 06:49, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails WP:BIO, no significant coverage online from WP:Reliable sources. His appearance on Sky is as one of three businessmen commenting on the UK retail climate in a 6 min 34 second piece, and he speaks from 2:38 - 3:19 and 5:05- 5:45: that's two 40-second comments in a six-minute piece. The tone of the article is highly WP:PROMO, though that can be fixed. I WP:PRODded the article last night, but the prod was contested. Nanodance (talk) 06:48, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Passes WP:BIO because it includes significant coverage from WP:Reliable sources. The appearance on a prominent TV station Sky News as an industry expert demonstrates this. The profile and interview in a popular South Korea newspaper website as "London's Digital Business Guru" at http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?menu=c10400&no=385102&rel_no=1 also proves this. Nadeem Azam speaks regularly at industry conferences, is interviewed in publications, and also been invited to appear onto many prominent and respect independent media outlets such as the BBC as a notable figure. Examples can be heard at http://www.azam.info/cashback-affiliate-program-edealsuk/ and http://www.azam.info/shopping-online-money-saving-expert/. I have edited the article to include more independent references and made less WP:PROMO. Nadeem Azam is not just a "Businessman", as you refer to him, and has also been referenced on Wikipedia for many years as a literary critic, with his work studied in American and German colleges. The Nadeem Azam listing has been on Wikipedia since 31 January 2010 and not one other person in all that time has deemed it necessary to have it removed. Markbristol (talk) 15:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Please note that OhmyNews and YouTube (and IMDB, etc.), while popular, are not considered WP:Reliable sources for Wikipedia articles as anyone can post up an article on their site. There's nothing in the article at the moment about his appearance on the BBC, nor about his work as a literary critic: please add referenced content to the article supporting this. Nanodance (talk) 19:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Nanodance is factually incorrect more than once. There has been a video of the subject's appearance on SkyNews provided and yet Nanodance is denying a national news station being WP:Reliable sources - whether it is posted on YouTube or not does not deny the fact the subject has appeared on national news. re: OhmyNews, "Anyone" cannot post up an article about themselves on OhmyNews, as anybody may verify by studying the website; while it allows 'Citizen Journalism', you cannot just write an article glorying yourself! Also the comment "There's nothing in the article at the moment about his appearance on the BBC" is not true. Reference 4 includes a link to an interview with Nadeem Azam on BBC Radio. You can see the independent reference to Nadeem Azam's writing in the following Wikipedia post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Hughes - it has been there for years. Multiple references have now been provided to prove this listing deserves to be in Wikipedia. Nanodance is repeatedly posting factually incorrect information and violating Wikipedia's guidelines to have this perfectly legitimate listing removed. Markbristol (talk) 22:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC) {— Markbristol (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- The Hughes reference is copied and pasted onto another website; their is no credible proof that The Guardian ever ran this. The SkyNews appearance is trivial at best, and OhmyNews simply does not count as a reliable source for Wikipedia according to long-established precedent. Your references are not sufficient. Again I ask you: Do you work for Azam or his company in some capacity? You have failed to answer this before. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 23:09, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete – Lacks Ghits and GNEWS of substance. The article is supported by primary sources and lacks secondary sources to meet criteria for inclusion. ttonyb (talk) 16:08, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Secondary source coverage is trivial, at best, far from sufficient to establish notability. --Talain (talk) 22:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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