Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nancy Colmenares

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as failing WP:N. Sources only mention Ms. Colmenares in passing. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy Colmenares

Person only notable for being a spouse of a notable person. All sources found by main contributor aren't directly about the person, and a google news search appears to confirm that trend. NJGW 23:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Its amazing that someone at this level of politics can have nothing notable, but is seems so. Mystache (talk) 23:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: "All sources found by main contributor aren't directly about the person" - that is not sufficient for claiming lack of notability, in Wikipedia:Notability (people) it is clearly writte:

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If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be needed to prove notability.

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- such sources are provided and were diligently used to expand the article.

This article was not created yesterday or in the precedent month, it has existed tranquilly for 3 whole years without a single source in it and now, when I provide it with 8 sources from 5 independent countries, any proposal for deletion turns out to be sheer tendentiousness and inconsistence, to say the least.
(To the proponent) Would you deign to explain wherefore you do nominate for deletion it in September 2008, when it has 8 independent sources to defend the notability, and not in December 2005, when it had none?!
As already stated on the talk page, the fact of being spouse of the well-known president is sufficient notability - there are articles on family members of other rulers, who supposedly had a relationship with the person, whereas here we have a ruler of similar notability (length of rule and area/population of the country - see above link) who incontestably had a marriage with the person!
(Comment on googlenews) - I would like to remind that here non-English sources are not (yet) prohibited and if the English medias do not care about the person, that is their problem - El País, El Mundo, El Observador, Makfax, A1, Kommersant, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Japanese Empire, two Norwegian sources and many others in languages, which I do not know, do!Bogorm (talk) 07:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Comment) "All sources found by main contributor aren't even in English." ([1]) - I strongly urge the main proponent for the deltion to refrain from belittling comments on the languages of the Earth, his incapability per se to read 5 of the most spoken languages in Eurasia does not concern the more knowledgeable editors, until it turns out to be an impediment for their activity. The issue has been addressed on the talk page, where the proper quoting and citations from the prominent sources (6 of them with articles here, which noone would ever think to nominate for deletion) and their compliance with Wikipedia rules have been demonstrated. Thanks to my knowledge of several foreign languages I have been able to contribute in 5 more versions of Wikipedia and thereby I assure the main proponent that no discrimination of the English language, which would show even the slightest resemblance to his quoted comment, is to be found in them and any further comments in this supercilious disparaging and supremacy-claiming tone ("aren't even in English.") are to be vehemently discouraged. Bogorm (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question Why are you responding to rational that isn't being used? NJGW (talk) 11:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not notable. The articles in Spanish are about Chavez, not about Colmenares; she is mentioned only incidentally. If the articles in the other languages are different, then fine -- but I'd be surprised. As for her having been married to Chavez, Notability is not inherited. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And how on earth managed Geli Raubal, who was an alleged lover in lieu of a legal spouse, to inherit her notability? Quod licet Iovi (Occident) non licet bovi(rest of the planet), although the two countries and rulers are comparable in length of rule/population??? Bogorm (talk) 09:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response First, that argument is a fallacy, as any non-notable articles should be removed. Second, Geli has had several books written about her, as well as a proponent role in at least one movie. All the coverage used to document Nancy is about her ex-husband, and she is only mentioned incidentally. She should be mentioned in his article, but there simply isn't enough to support more than a sentence (maybe two) about her on her own. NJGW (talk) 11:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per WP:INHERITED and lack of addressing WP:NONENG as requested. Toddst1 (talk) 18:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep; The sources do 'not have to be primarily about the person, just provide some substantial degree of information.Ing generation spouses of heads of state and heads of government are notable--the failure to find multiple good sources is usually merely cultural bias. DGG (talk) 23:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately even the Spanish sources just mention her existence (as an ex wife), and don't say any more about her. No "substatial degree of information" has been provided (or discovered in the multi-lingual news.google search linked above) besides her name. NJGW (talk) 23:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Subject fails WP:Bio herself. Just being married to/divorced from a notable person doesn't confer notability. It should be sufficient to mention her existence on her ex-husband's page?Austin46 (talk) 16:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Venezuela-related deletion discussions. -- John Vandenberg ^(chat) 04:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as "spouse-of" non-notable. Mangoe (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete notability not established. --Dreamspy (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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