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The result was Speedy keep. Nominator has withdrawn nomination. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:12, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails to meet WP:BLPNOTE, there have been hundreds of "president" of LDS Missions, none of which have pages, unless they were noteworthy for other reasons. --ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 15:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Jensen was a member of the Utah State House of Representatives. Being a member of a state legislature satisfies the notability requirements for politicians. Jensen was the first president of an LDS mission in Canada. This is a notable accomplishment. He was also a judge. There is no reason for the disparaging putting of quotes around his title, which seems to indicate some sort of antagonism towards him or his position.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Of the 75 members of the Utah House of Rep, only 24 have pages. Being a member of a state legislature doesn't satisfies the notability requirements, especially since his session in the Utah house of Rep isn't even listed, but since there arn't even session pages for the years he was alive (see List_of_Utah_State_Legislatures, as it probably has no page at all. Therefore, none of his fellow members are listed and have pages, for that reason. As for the quotes around his title, that was done to clarify that it was a specific title. The fact that you assume there is some kind of antagonism becuse of that shows how week his notability is.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 15:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It used to. The requirement used to be a straight up any member of a sub-national legislature. It has been made more complex since then, but the rules have been made much more complex without any real good justification. The reason I assume you are using it as scare quotes is because that is how such quotes are used. That said, your argument that we should delete this article because no one has created articles for other people who are also notable is rubbish. You are also ignoring he was a writer of notable tracts. What the assumption of antagonism shows is that you wrote the nomination as an attack, and are unwilling to consider the fact that the first president of a mission in a major country gains notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep deleteBeing the "first president of a mission in a major country" doesn't gains notability. No other person meets the notability for that reason. If you can show that it dose than I would be happy to remove the AFD. You also say that he "he was a writer of notable tracts". All the pages say is "Jensen published many LDS tracts as well as writing multiple manuals used in LDS priesthood meeting lessons." but it is not cited, it doesn't say which ones, and even if it did, unless those tracts meet the notability requirements for Authors, it wont save his page. The page as it is fails to meet notability requirements. The entire page has issues with lack of citation.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 16:17, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]- Additionally Wp:Assume Good Faith, just because you don't like a AFD, doesn't make it an attack. I posted fact, not attacks.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 16:18, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: I struck the "Keep delete" above from the nominator; nominators are not allowed another !vote in deletion discussions, except to withdraw. However, comments are (of course) allowed. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:00, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The nom can indeed withdraw, but not remove the AfD tag; although someone can do a speedy close should the nom withdraw. -- 202.124.73.20 (talk) 02:38, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: I struck the "Keep delete" above from the nominator; nominators are not allowed another !vote in deletion discussions, except to withdraw. However, comments are (of course) allowed. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:00, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally Wp:Assume Good Faith, just because you don't like a AFD, doesn't make it an attack. I posted fact, not attacks.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 16:18, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It used to. The requirement used to be a straight up any member of a sub-national legislature. It has been made more complex since then, but the rules have been made much more complex without any real good justification. The reason I assume you are using it as scare quotes is because that is how such quotes are used. That said, your argument that we should delete this article because no one has created articles for other people who are also notable is rubbish. You are also ignoring he was a writer of notable tracts. What the assumption of antagonism shows is that you wrote the nomination as an attack, and are unwilling to consider the fact that the first president of a mission in a major country gains notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Of the 75 members of the Utah House of Rep, only 24 have pages. Being a member of a state legislature doesn't satisfies the notability requirements, especially since his session in the Utah house of Rep isn't even listed, but since there arn't even session pages for the years he was alive (see List_of_Utah_State_Legislatures, as it probably has no page at all. Therefore, none of his fellow members are listed and have pages, for that reason. As for the quotes around his title, that was done to clarify that it was a specific title. The fact that you assume there is some kind of antagonism becuse of that shows how week his notability is.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 15:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I don't know what JPL means about It has been made more complex since then, because WP:POLITICIAN still accepts Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature. He clearly qualifies under WP:POLITICIAN, so everything else is irrelevant to the notability question, and the page isn't so bad that it needs to be blown up; we can improve it. Nyttend (talk) 19:08, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- What I was talking about was this [1] guidelines, but on looking at it again I see it was not established. So yes, we are left with Jensen having been notable as a legislator. I am not sure if he is notable as a judge, but he might be.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:22, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, passes WP:POLITICIAN as a Utah state legislator regardless of whether he has another basis for notability. postdlf (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep per WP:POLITICIAN. -- 202.124.73.20 (talk) 02:33, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I think we're going to get some WP:SNOW in July. -- 202.124.73.20 (talk) 02:35, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I'm fine with keeping it now. The author after 2 year finally added this information. It wasn't on the page back when I AFD it.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 11:34, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It would really help if you paid attention to the history of the article. This article was created on 17 June 2013, it has barely been around two weeks.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy close requested. Nominator has withdrawn and all !votes are "keep." -- 202.124.73.8 (talk) 12:18, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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