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The result was keep. With the nomination withdrawn, I now see a consensus to keep the page. Owen× ☎ 12:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
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Unfortunately this seems to have next to no secondary sources covering it, making it fail WP:PRODUCT. The only thing that'd be close is [2], but it's not verifiable as a self-published (open wiki) source. There's also [3] which is honestly pretty good despite being a blog. Giving the benefit of the doubt and calling its author a subject-matter expert, we still are pretty weak in terms of "sustained" coverage.
Searching for FTPd doesn't seem to reveal much either besides an unrelated FTP server for the 3DS, but it's possible it's just really buried? Perryprog (talk) 23:22, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
- Nomination withdrawn, as 4meter4 was able to dredge up some offline sources that I did a crummy job of looking for. (Many thanks!) That combined with the online sources below is certainly more than enough coverage in my opinion. Perryprog (talk) 18:19, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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Currently referenced manual[1]
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 Primary
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✘ No | ||
Macintosh repository[2]
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User-generated content
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✘ No |
Macworld[3]
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Weird that it says "NetPresenz is available [...] at macworld.com" but meh.
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Macworld good.
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✔ Yes |
Happymacs[4]
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~ Blog, but it's a pretty good blog! |
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~ Partial |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}. | ||||
References
- ^ [1]
- ^ "NetPresenz - Macintosh Repository". www.macintoshrepository.org. Retrieved 2025-08-23.
- ^ Hawn, Matthew (May 1996). "NetPresenz 4.0: Internet server on a shoestring". Macworld. Vol. 13, no. 5. p. 55. ISSN 0741-8647.
- ^ happymacs (2014-07-09). "Networking Your Classic Macintosh with Windows, Part 3 – Using NetPresenz and Fetch". Quadras, Cubes and G5s. Retrieved 2025-08-23.
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Products, Internet, and Software. Perryprog (talk) 23:22, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
*Delete- Sources for this seems scarce, do see it being mentioned here and there but no obvious SIGCOV from my websearches so far, no hits from Google News at all, interestingly using Wikipedia Library and got this, though seems like a one-off, at most if an ATD must be done, could this be merged to File Transfer Protocol ?.Lorraine Crane (talk) 22:07, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
- That link doesn't seem to work for me, but following your lead I assume it's "NetPresenz 4.0: Internet server on a shoestring"? That looks pretty excellent—I think that combined with the blog post could be something, though it's definitely a stretch. Including a mention of it in FTP's article would definitely be neat since it is nice to have some reference to old software like this. I've added a source assessment table above to summarize what's been found. (Edits welcome.) Perryprog (talk) 23:02, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete No secondary sources covering the topic. Hitesh Thakrani (talk)
- Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV from multiple offline book sources. There's actually quite a lot of coverage on this from publications extending from the mid 1990s (which our article misses that it started then) and into the early 2000s. This was one of the main Mac web servers of the latter half of the 1990s which is when it was most relevant. Some examples include these books:
- Hart, David L. (2000). The Cross-Platform Mac Handbook: Keeping Your Mac in a Digital World. Prentice Hall PTR. pp. 79–81. ISBN 9780130850881.
- Anthony, Tobin (1996). Building and Maintaining an Intranet with the Macintosh. Hayden Books. pp. 286–289. ISBN 9781568302799.
- Hart, David L.; Bourne, Philip E. (1998). Mac OS 8 Web Server Cookbook. Prentice Hall PTR. pp. 136–148. ISBN 9780135200162.
- There is also more coverage in Macworld in the 1990s. Note to search for other sources under the software's original name FTPd. Due to the era of this server at the dawn of the internet; most of the materials are likely to be offline. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- That's wild! I guess I'm showing my age a bit with the assumption that because this was a piece of software from the early internet era then clearly it'd at the least have materials about it archived online, so thank you very much for digging these up! While I'm only able to couch-access the second one via the Open Library, it does indeed have a decent section on NetPresenz, and even without the other two sources that's enough for me combined with the online sources mentioned previously. I'll go and withdraw my nomination, though this isn't eligible to speedy close due to the above votes—that being said, Lorraine Crane and Hitesh Thakrani do see the above in case it changes your position. Perryprog (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Perryprog Yes, even with digitization greatly improving access to the sources of this era it is often surprising what sourcing is still not available online. The early internet era was also highly susceptible to WP:Link rot. For this reason, a good rule of thumb is to not assume anything pre-2008 is well documented online. There are often better and more offline materials than one might guess.4meter4 (talk) 18:56, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- That's wild! I guess I'm showing my age a bit with the assumption that because this was a piece of software from the early internet era then clearly it'd at the least have materials about it archived online, so thank you very much for digging these up! While I'm only able to couch-access the second one via the Open Library, it does indeed have a decent section on NetPresenz, and even without the other two sources that's enough for me combined with the online sources mentioned previously. I'll go and withdraw my nomination, though this isn't eligible to speedy close due to the above votes—that being said, Lorraine Crane and Hitesh Thakrani do see the above in case it changes your position. Perryprog (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- Keep-changing my vote given the what our fellow Wikipedians have dug up so far to support the articles Notability. Thanks Perryprog for updating me on this.Lorraine Crane (talk) 21:29, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
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