Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Non-dialysis dependent

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Chronic kidney disease. All contributors but one agree that this should not be the subject of a separate article. A redirect allows later editorial consensus to determine what, if anything, needs to be merged from the history (there's no consensus here about this). Sandstein 19:29, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Non-dialysis dependent

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Per WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary, this attempt to introduce an obscure term. There is a total of 92 entries in PubMed (compared to 92,611 for chronic kidney disease) and, frequently describes those on dialysis being excluded from a study. There is a well established staging system that does not use the term. If it were expanded, there is no reason to believe that it would not be a redundant fork for Stages 1–4 when Chronic kidney disease covers 1–5.Novangelis (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. As noted above, it's not a term given significant coverage, and the topic could be better described at the CKD article. I don't see a compelling reason to keep this as a redirect, either. —C.Fred (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the revised and improved article. As noted in the revised article, the NDD-CKD and ESRD are mutually exclusive. Until recently, the term "non-ESRD" but "CKD" had to be used, but since the invention of the NDD-CKD, which has received significant coverage, the term NDD-CKD has been used vastly. --[[User:Burntout123|Burntout123]] ([[User talk:Burntout123|talk]] (talk) 05:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:NOTDICT - revision not sufficient to dodge this guideline. Useful content can still be moved to CKD article. Elizium23 (talk) 05:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge additions into Chronic kidney disease (subject to WP:UNDUE), otherwise Delete. Article is a WP:CFORK#Redundant_content_forks of Chronic kidney disease. JoeSperrazza (talk) 12:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If the above argment has merit, the paired article end-stage renal disease (ESRD) would also need to be deleted or merged with CKD.--S.Buntout123 (talk) 14:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS JoeSperrazza (talk) 15:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It should be noted that "End-stage renal disease" is a redirect to "Chronic kidney disease", not an independent article, so the "other stuff" doesn't exist.Novangelis (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Pardon me for not noticing. That end-stage renal disease redirects to Chronic kidney disease further weakens S.Buntout123 argument against Merging. A redirect of Non-dialysis dependent to Chronic kidney disease would work, too (after any materiel of value, if any, is merged). JoeSperrazza (talk) 15:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: because of licensing requirements, tracking the revision history, a redirect is part of the merge process.Novangelis (talk) 15:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am puzzled: The ESRD (end-stage renal disease) article used to be a stand-alone article for years. Since I have no expertise in Wiki-technicality, can somebody kindly ascerain who removed the ESRD page and why? Otherwise I agree with the constructive suggestion as long as a few lines from the curremt NDD article is copied and placed into the CKD article. --S.Buntout123 (talk) 00:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent)Hi, perhaps you didn't notice it was a redirect? Looking at the history of the page in this link [1], the article End-stage renal disease was created as a REDIRECT on February 5th, 2005, and has not changed in that regard. In anticipation of a Merge, perhaps you could edit the current Chronic kidney disease article to make the additions from Non-dialysis dependent that you think are appropriate? Cheers, JoeSperrazza (talk) 00:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 01:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to CKD article per above discussion. No need for a separate article. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 02:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Consistent with the suggestions, a new subsection "NDD-CKD vs. ESRD" has been added to CKD article under section STAGING. Feel free to review/amend, and, assuming everbody's blessing, then the NDD-CKD can become a redirect. --S.Buntout123 (talk) 04:15, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That section could use references to reliable sources, and less bold words, per the Manual of Style. JoeSperrazza (talk) 01:28, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge relevant content with CKD, redirect there. Not sufficiently notable for its own article, especially since ample context is already available on the CKD page. Google search confirms that the concept NDD-CKD is in reasonably widespread use. JFW | T@lk 23:02, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.