Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Okefenokee Oar (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 12:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okefenokee Oar

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This new sports trophy for the winner of the Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic is not notable enough for its own article. Right now, the text includes only a short rehash of the series history plus a single paragraph about the trophy and its origin.

Delete. Following this discussion, info on the trophy was merged into the main article about the rivalry and expanded a bit. Accordingly, the stub article on the trophy itself should now be deleted, imo. Zeng8r (talk) 14:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

note I'd forgotten about the deletion discussion last year, when the trophy was first introduced. There was no consensus to delete it, as several users sensibly suggested that it was new and may turn out to be notable and important. However, mentions of the trophy in just its second season were practically nil. A quick news search covering the past month (which includes a couple weeks before and after this year's FLA-UGA game) returned only 2 hits - one of which rehashed the introduction stories from the previous year and another which opined that the series needed a trophy for the winner and dismissed the Oar as inadequate. That's it. I couldn't find any mention of the trophy actually being displayed or presented in 2010. Zeng8r (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The "Okefenokee Oar" article duplicates most of the content of the "Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic" article. Meaningful content and sources from the Oar article have already been merged into the Classic article. The Oar has no notoriety and serves no purpose outside the immediate context of the game, and does not merit a separate article that only leads to duplicate content. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 15:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is actually more information on the Oar in the article on the rivalry. Most of the article in the Oar article is information on the rivalry for background. Borock (talk) 15:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, and the main article now includes a photo of the actual thing. Still, all of the cite-able info on the trophy and its history is just a single paragraph long. I don't see how it could be reasonably expanded into a full article, especially considering the lack of any additional sources. Zeng8r (talk) 16:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. Neutral. Florida-Georgia is one of the premier rivalries in college football. Trophies associated with college football's significant rivalries (most less signficant than Georgia-Florida) are acknowledged to be notable. See, e.g., Paul Bunyan Trophy, Paul Bunyan's Axe, Little Brown Jug (football), Old Oaken Bucket, Floyd of Rosedale, Florida Cup, Telephone Trophy, Iron Skillet, Slab of Bacon, Apple Cup, Peace Pipe, Platypus Trophy, Jeweled Shillelagh, Steel Tire, Land Grant Trophy, Old Brass Spittoon, Sweet Sioux Tomahawk and Fremont Cannon. Cbl62 (talk) 17:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cbl, we're not crusading deletionists. We're Florida Gators football fans and active CFB editors who are saying this thing doesn't merit its own page; it now has its own three-sentence paragraph and photo in the main rivalry article. That seems about right. There isn't much else to say about it, separate and apart from duplicating the rivalry information already provided in the main rivalry article. It was made from a 1,000-year-old cypress, it's been around for two years, and it's been awarded twice. We have to judge it on its own merits, not as part of the larger group of well-established and clearly notable trophies. BTW, of those awards you listed above, the Platypus Trophy sounds a little shaky, too. I mean it went missing for 40 years, and nobody missed it? LOL Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've withdrawn my "Keep" vote in light of Dirtlawyer's comments. The Florida-UGA rivalry is clearly notable, and if the Gator-Bullodg fans are comfortable having the oar, the cocktail party, and the rivalry covered in one article, I don't oppose. I assume there would be a redirect set up so that anyone interested in the Oar would be directed to a subsection in the main rivalry article dealing with the trophy? Cbl62 (talk) 20:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, Floyd of Rosedale is my personal favorite among the trophies ... although if they came up with a better design, the Slab of Bacon might even surpass Floyd. Cbl62 (talk) 20:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

totally off topic - The Slab of Bacon could have BEEN the original Floyd. You just think about that, lol... Zeng8r (talk) 21:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Without question the game and the teams and the rivalry are all notable. However, the "oar" itself (i.e. the trophy) is not.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic. The Florida-Georgia article now contains more cited information than the "Okefenokee Oar" article, but it's a plausible search term.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:50, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.