Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omega Theta Alpha

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No secondary sources to indicate notability. If editors can write about fraternities in Ottawa more generally using reliable sources, please do so. Fences&Windows 21:53, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Omega Theta Alpha

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A non-notable fraternity at the University of Ottawa. While I would imagine that national chapters are inherently notable, I don't believe that individual fraternities are, and I'm don't see any evidence that this one passes WP:ORG. While they do support a charity or few and do volunteer work, that's not enough to meet the notability standard (especially given that every fraternity tends to do charity work). Even if there were notable alumni (which the article doesn't claim that there are), notability isn't inherited. Bfigura ^(talk) 23:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator for the reasons above. --Bfigura ^(talk) 23:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So you agree with your own deletion nomination? Well, I'll be jiggered. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it would be weird if I didn't. --Bfigura ^(talk) 15:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 00:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
SFUO registration page have been provided as references. SFUO is the only body at the university of ottawa that register student groups. The Fraternity is a local fraternity with a single chapter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.137.19 (talk) 02:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - lacks the sources to meet WP:ORG. Purely local fraternity. Being a part of the SFUO means nothing significant. TerriersFan (talk) 18:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not notable, no third party sources. Hairhorn (talk) 22:29, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do not Delete The organisation is well known around the Ottawa region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atmleb (talk •
Do not Delete Articles on the organisation have been published in the Fulcrum, the Ottawa students newspaper and on it's french counterpart. References will be put up as soon as the new articles are put online.

contribs) 19:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Appears that contributor might fall into WP:SPA LoudHowie (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Delete Although the alumni base is non-existant, you have to realize that this group was formed only 8 years ago, a rather young organization that is still growing and looking for exposure which is coming slowly in many forms of online and written mediums. Calder27 (talk) 3:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Delete I see no notability or significant coverage. Just because this is fairly young organization that is beginnig to receive coverage does not mean it has to be included in Wikipedia. Give it a few years and if it does become notable, I will reconsider my decision. In the mean time, I vote delete. LoudHowie (talk) 21:17, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless a bit more third party referencing appears. Also, this article reads like an advertising brochure for the organisation. I quote from above: "you have to realize that this group was formed only 8 years ago, a rather young organization that is still growing and looking for exposure which is coming slowly in many forms of online and written mediums." We do realise, and that's why the article has been nominated. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and not a place for gaining exposure. When there is sound evidence of notability, come back. Peridon (talk) 22:17, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do not Delete For some reason this organisation is being singled out. there are several other local fraternities and sororities whose pages have been up for several years and offered less references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atmleb (talk • contribs) 18:43, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There probably are. Please feel free to tag them in the same way as this. There is a policy that says that just because another article exists, this is no reason for this one. Wikipedia has to have rules, or the place would be full of junk ("Shaun is awesommmmmeeeeee!"). The way the lines are drawn means that independent reliable references (to notability, not just existence) are required. Some of those other articles might have got in before the rules were tightened. They might just have been missed. They might actually comply. If you disagree, tag them and we'll look. Peridon (talk) 19:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Don't worry about other insignificant fraternities having a page on Wikipedia, someone will get to those eventually and they'll be tagged the same way. LoudHowie (talk) 20:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note to new posters Please realise that you saying this organisation is notable means nothing here. Nor does volume of posts. Single Purpose Accounts (accounts that are new and have not done any other work) are valued less than regular editors. The arguments put forward are assessed. A decision is made. If it goes for delete, you can always come back WHEN you have the necessary references to support the notability of the subject. Peridon (talk) 19:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative solution maybe a single local organisation is not notable enough to meet wikipedia but an article that contain an overview about sororities and fraternities in the Ottawa region —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atmleb (talk • contribs) 19:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it - but remember reliable third party sources..... Peridon (talk) 22:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I just declined the db-author (WP:CSD#G7) deletion since another editor has added a reference, but I'm not voting against the deletion, I'm just declining the speedy deletion. - Dank (push to talk) 16:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not notable, not even in Ottawa. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 20:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge this and all fraternities at the University of Ottawa into the University of Ottawa article. Doc Quintana (talk) 23:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.