Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ordinary life in Japan during WWII

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Home front during World War II pending verification. Consensus is that the topic is encyclopedic, but that the current content fails WP:V and WP:NOR. Individual sourced passages may be merged from the history, and the article may be restored only if thoroughly sourced. Sandstein 06:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ordinary life in Japan during WWII

A very long, great mish mash of information, that is all totally unreferenced. Borders on original research in places. If you read the talk page it was a questioned copyvio when it was first created almost two years ago but wasn't detected as such because the original was in Japanese, and it has been listed for cleanup ever since. I suggest deletion unless anyone has any better ideas. Roleplayer 21:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as lacking verifiability. It's been tagged unsourced since June of 2006 and an unattended article in a WikiProject since August of 2006. "Do not leave unsourced information in articles for too long." Hmm. :) Ample time for repair. Barring sudden herculean achievement from some editor, I don't see how this one can be saved. Too bad. It's an interesting article, but it's not Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl 21:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete on WP:V grounds. It might have been worth trying a WP:PROD. — BillC ^talk 22:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Neier 22:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge Obviously, this one needs to be sourced, but it's a worthwhile article, similar to United States home front during World War II and Home front during World War II. The content in the latter article for Japan is pretty meager at the moment, but it cites a number of books that could be reveiewed by the author: (1) Cohen, Jerome. Japan's Economy in War and Reconstruction. University of Minnesota Press, 1949. online version (2) Cook, Haruko Taya, and Theodore Cook. Japan at War: An Oral History 1992. (3) Dower, John. Japan in War and Peace 1993. (4) Duus Peter, Ramon H. Myers, and Mark R. Peattie. The Japanese Wartime Empire, 1931-1945. Princeton UP 1996. 375p. (5)

Havens, Thomas R. Valley of Darkness: The Japanese People and World War II. 1978. and (6) Havens, Thomas R. "Women and War in Japan, 1937-1945." American Historical Review 80 (1975): 913-934. online in JSTOR; If it can add some meat to the bones, keep it. Mandsford 00:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

keep and improve If an article needs help, then help it. Get over the 'delete' philosophy. This article is a good start; unfortunately, many articles in WP are not referenced/cited (yet). Hmains 01:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or Smerge to Home front during World War II Japan's home life is a notable subject, as shown by the refs recently added as a list at the end of the article. But the article is full of doubtful or unreferenced claims that were there long before the recent addition of books about Japan's WW2 home life. It said and still says, without a reference, "In Hokkaido, the government decided to replace iron rail lines with wooden lines, for older trains with engines powered by soot recovered from other coal-burning engines." Railroads even in the 1850's had iron or iron clad rails. Locomotives require a huge amount of high heat value fuel to run. I have grave doubts that wood could support even "older" (but still late 19th century) locomotives or that "recycled soot" would fuel one. It also claims that matches were made with a head at each end, to save wood or something. We do not source articles by just listing books about the subject at the end of an article which was (per the talk page) apparently translated from different sources originally in Japanese. An article could now be written from the newly added sources, but it might differ quite a bit from the old one if statements had to be referenced with inline cites to satisfy WP:V. If deleted, or if redirected or merged, there should be no barrier to recreation from the refs added and from other reliable sources. The topic is notable, but the statements in the present article seem like a hoax magnet and a miscellaneous collection of supposed factoids of unknown origin. Edison 04:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve. The Japanese military history taskforce has worked wonders on other articles, and they could likely do so here. Letting them know rather than putting an article up for deletion would have been much more effect, IMHO. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete to much OR, not enough proper use of sources. This is a fine subject but it would be better to start over. Eluchil404 02:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - sigh, I sympathize with user Eluchi that it would be better to just start over with this long and badly written article. However, it does contain some refs at the bottom of the page that maybe someone a little more competent could use to do a total rewrite from the ground up. There's nothing inherently wrong with the subject matter, just the treatment. But if neither of those are good enough reasons to keep it, then delete per Eluchi. Gatoclass 04:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.