Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otto bookstore

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There is some evidence for notability, but it is weak, which combined with low participation after two relists has left us without a consensus. RL0919 (talk) 04:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Otto bookstore

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The assertion made on this bookstore's website that it was established in either 1841 or 1877 and "America's Oldest Independently Owned Bookstore" would appear to me to have some credence given a cursory search I have done an the search links that will be included in this article's WP:AFD page. As far as I can see, those assertions are unsupported by independent third party reliable references that would be expected of, again, "America's Oldest Independently Owned Bookstore". As always: please prove me wrong. Pete AU aka Shirt58 (talk) 09:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree - I am unable to find any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. The claim of being the oldest independent bookstore appears to be research conducted by the owners. It is, of course, probably true, but fails our tests for independent content. Topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:05, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - I would like to recommend a Redirect to List of independent bookstores in the United States, but that list is only for bookstores that have their own Wikipedia article - besides the report of the sale in Publisher's Weekly, there is a full article on the store in Susquehanna Life and there is a brief write-up in PA Eats - it is also listed in Indie Bound (although this may be considered a trivial mention) - so there is some coverage out there, but not much for a store that has been in business for over 100 years - my feeling is weak keep - Epinoia (talk) 04:01, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This close to the tipping point for a consensus to delete, but let's see if we can get a clearer picture with another week of discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 04:19, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The business has certainly been around for a while – I had no difficulty finding a reference to it from 1925. And there are more sources to be found such as this. Andrew D. (talk) 08:43, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:44, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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