Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Petr Mitrichev

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 03:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Petr Mitrichev

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There seem to have been several debates regarding notability of olympiad medalists, and I understand there is no consensus on eligibility. However, I still believe they should satisfy WP:GNG, which this person does not. The only sources that I found talked about him winning the facebook competition, which I think is an issue under WP:1E

SPat ^talk 20:32, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that a medal in an olympiad is not an achievement of the kind that warrants a Wikipedia entry, since many gold medals are awarded within a single olympiad. However, Petr Mitrichev won Facebook Hacker Cup, Google Code Jam, the TopCoder Open and the TopCoder Collegiate Challenge (twice). Each of these had tens of thousands of participants. Also, on Topcoder as of today he competed 282 times in single round algorithm contests, winning 82 of them. In each of these he faced a competition of between 500 to 1000 coders within TopCoder's highest division. I believe this makes him notable. JustJohan (talk) 21:56, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, when Googling him, don't forget to also search for his name in Cyrillic: Петр Митричев JustJohan (talk) 22:11, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We do not have a guideline for notability of competition winners in place, and thus we have to rely on WP:GNG to establish notability. For that, we need secondary sources that have non-trivial coverage of the subject. I do not believe that the news articles (that say he won the facebook challenge etc.) qualify as non-trivial. If we can find such sources - for eg. detailed biographical news articles (in any language) - they may establish notability. SPat ^talk 18:24, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue he is eligible under WP:ATH

EgorKulikov (talk) 10:33, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here started a discussion on improvement of this article. We suppose the Petr is one of most influential persons in competitive programming world. He participates also in trainings, lectures etc. Please allow a bit more time for us to improve this article.

Also, if it is possible, give some hints to us (on example of the other programming sportsman page Reid_Barton) of the ways to prove significance of the discussed person. Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodion Gork (talk • contribs) 07:36, 25 January 2012 (UTC) Rodion Gork 07:36 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Someone (anonymous user?) removed mine and Johan's earlier comments - might I remind concerned user that editing others' comments on talk pages is considered against good etiquette. Getting back to the discussion, @EgorKulikov: It's debatable whether the "Generally acceptable standards" for sportspeople are applicable here. To repeat, I think it's best to be able to demonstrate notability under WP:GNG. @Rodion Gork: I think it would be worthwhile to formulate a notability guideline for science olympiad etc. winners, although I do not have much experience with that. Meanwhile, the issue is not whether the article is well-written (it is not), but whether an article should exist in the first place - for which you have to establish notability. Also, it would be helpful to have a discussion about improvements on the article's talk page rather than on an external site. Cheers, SPat ^talk 15:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ - There is a lack of significant independent coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. The article currently has many sources; most are unreliable. Only the Register article would qualify as a reliable source, however it is primarily about the competition with only incidnental coverage of Mitrichev as the winner. My own searches only turn up more press releases and incidental mentions. -- Whpq (talk) 16:36, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep - Two of the sources provided by EgorKulikov below represent coverage in reliable sources with Mitrichev being teh primary subject. -- Whpq (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ребят, да идите в жопу. Вы (как и я) - просто ничтожество по сравнению с Петей. There is million of contestans like him, he did nothing great, so i think this article is useless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.112.140.8 (talk) 20:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some links to articles about him in Russain magazines:

RG and Ogoniok are part of major mainstream media in Russia

EgorKulikov (talk) 23:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment - The first link is not a reliable source, but the rg.ru and ogoniok,com links are news articles featuring Mitrichev as the primary subject and contribute to establishing notability. -- Whpq (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is significant coverage (e.g. [1], [2],[3]) about different events related to the article subject. Some of these sources are reliable and independent of the subject. Had WP:ATH been applicable, the notability of the subject would have been proven. In this case it's not about sports, but he is has been a winner in several world-level contests that are well-known in the related field. Rjgodoy (talk) 01:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- comment - Those are two press releases and a minor mention. -- Whpq (talk) 15:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Computer programming (to more precise, Competitive Programming or Sport Programming) has grew beyond students' science Olympiads and should be categorized as mind sport ([4], [5]), thus WP:ATH is applicable here. Please note that the notability of this case is gained not by winning medals in a few Olympiads, but leading a 'Mind sport' for several years. --155.69.2.11 (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I do not believe the athletes guideline has been expanded to mind sports. -- Whpq (talk) 15:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment - I apology for my confusion. I am very new to the whole 'notability' concept in Wiki. I linked this case to chess (Mind sport) - which I consider very similar. There are lots of articles about chess grand-master on Wiki. For example, Peter Svidler and Alexander Morozevich doesn't seem to have any reliable resources according to WP:GNG, and I believe if I tried I could find many more similar articles. According to Wiki notability guidelines, I could only find these satisfy WP:ATH. Could you please give a short explanation on which notability guidelines these case meet? --155.69.2.11 (talk) 17:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Reply - The WP:ATHLETE guideline is applicable for athletes in physical sports, so doesn't apply in this case. There is no specific guideline for participants in mind sports. As such applicable inclusion guideline is WP:GNG which is used for all subjects. As for issues with other articles, we don't usually consider other articles' state in an AFD. -- Whpq (talk) 18:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is an inspiration for more then half of the current and a lot of the past computer programming competitors. Some of his achivements are legendary and up until now he is used as an example. A few years in a raw he has won the Russian Open Cup - one of the most difficult competitions in the world - on his own, while the competition is for teams of three people. He has achieved the highest rating in Top Coder of all times and in almost all the competetive websites he is in top 3. He will forever be an idol fоr thousands of people and has deserved it better then most of the pop idols(for instance) that all have their pages here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Izomorphius (talk • contribs) — Izomorphius (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Comment - whether he is an inspiration or not does not establish notability without reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 15:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: So far, we have found one reference, the Ogoniok article that has non-trivial coverage, I'm not so sure about the one in RG as it is mostly an interview. Do we count this as "significant, sustained coverage"? Per GNG, the anwer is not automatic: The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources. Multiple sources are generally expected. I'd like to hear other views on this. SPat ^talk 19:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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