Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pirate Metal

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The result was delete. Chick Bowen 03:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Pirate Metal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Also nominating: List of pirate metal bands

Prod contested by author. This is a non-notable term used to describe one band's music. Unverifiable, original research and already deleted through Afd once. Prolog 05:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - [1] --Ineffable3000 05:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Well, of course that search gets zero hits. I doubt "pirate metals" would come up with a lot of results. -- Kicking222 14:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Skeletor2112 06:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, already tagged for speedy to determine repost status. MER-C 07:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep Ah, it's the 'one band' appeal again. There are more Pirate Metal bands than those on the List of pirate metal bands page. I only, however, wished to include those bands that are undeniably Pirate Metal (i.e. not bands who are only lyrically of this genre). Pratt 14:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Undeniably "pirate metal" according to which sources? Nothing in the article can be verified. Prolog 09:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Verbal Deception's Homepage quotes Pirate Metal if you google-search it. Also, Battleheart, have branded themselves 'True Scottish Pirate Metal' on their homepage. Pratt 14:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment. A band's own website is not a reliable source. Prolog 17:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Note that this user is the article's creator. --InShaneee 22:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Very Strong Keep That's ridiculous. All genres have to start somewhere. Buckle 10:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC) — Buckle (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .[reply]
• Delete A Google search shows it to be used to describe a few other bands, but it's still a non-notable term/genre. -- Kicking222 14:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since when did Google become a world authority on Metal? Millence 14:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC) — Millence (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Keep Brooza 15:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Please note that this is not a vote, but a discussion. Prolog 17:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Pirate Metal is a growing genre. I see no reason it should be deleted. Wartooth 15:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Neologism. --InShaneee 17:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. A google search for "pirate metal" -wikipedia -myspace [2] gets 850 hits, and many of them, even on the first page, are from e-bay. Note to the several people who have argued for keep, having made little other contribution to WP: notability is not the same thing as being worthwhile or interesting. It's a matter of having multiple, reliable, non-trivial sources from which we can construct an encyclopedia article, and they just don't seem to exist for this topic. Cheers, Sam Clark 20:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment You can't use that fact that people haven't contributed against this article. You don't have to be an avid wikipedia member to know about a subject. Also, a subject does not have to be interesting to have a page on Wikipedia (for example, the colour blue). I understand about the search results, but as is said above, a genre must start somewhere. I personally have only stumbled across Pirate Metal bands this year, and already have found there to be at least half a dozen, many of which have only started to release media in 2006, showing a tremendous initial growth. Pratt 22:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I'm not holding anything except the lack of notability against the article. Please, click on the link and read. Nobody has suggested that a subject has to be interesting to have a WP article: I've argued that being interesting is not a notability criterion (my research work is interesting, but certainly shouldn't have an article devoted to it). That a 'genre has to start somewhere' is not relevant: it doesn't start here, because this is an encyclopedia. And because it's an encyclopedia, we need multiple, non-trivial, independent sources reporting on a subject. Yours, Sam Clark 23:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Arr, me mateys, seems to be a psuedo-genre in search of a way to establish itself. No reliable sources cited; borders on original research. Genres may "have to start somewhere", but Wikipedia does not exist to get them (or unsigned garage bands, struggling actor/waiters, or trivial and obscure pieces of shareware) started. Get some reliable sources to acknowledge the genre first, then create a Wikipedia article. Xtifr _tälk 23:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Kill... Delete as it's NN --RaiderAspect 01:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - "all bands/genres/authors/bloggers/made-up religions have to start somewhere" is but a hair's breadth away from simply saying "this subject is not notable, but might be some day - as long as it has a wikipedia article!"--Dmz5 06:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Keep Keep Why delete this? There are pirate metal bands out there that just arent understood! This needs to stay for people to understand pirate metal. If this article was deleted then bands such as Verbal Deception or Running Wild wouldnt have the correct genre labels. I bet you're all thinking "Why do they need Pirate Metal when they have the other sub-genre's of metal?", well the truth is, they do, especially Verbal Deception, a band which actually consider themselves as Pirate Metal. THIS ARTICLE MUST STAY!!!!! — Marcello.ciciriello (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Comment. Please read this, this and this. Yours, Sam Clark 11:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep - It may be a small genre, but a genre nonetheless, and there is a high demand for this type of music amongst metal-listeners. Sakuyatech 01:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. There is not a single reliable source that calls this a genre. Neither is there anything else about this term that could be verified. Prolog 01:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• delete nonnotable. Mukadderat 01:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. IronChris | (talk) 17:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The fact that it is a genre is not really the question of debate here, the question is whether what is being posted is verifiable and not from a self published source. the only things i have found that discuss it are blogs and podcasts, get it into something that can be cited, then post itEuripides13 04:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Keep Keep If you search Pirate metal on last.fm as a genre tag, some well known artists show pirate metal as a genre. This is not posted by bands, last.fm compiles this information from people listening to the music. http://www.last.fm/tag/pirate%20metal Mentally Blind
• Delete WP:OR and neologism. —ShadowHalo 23:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.