Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Programmer Dvorak

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The result was delete. Majorly _{(o rly?)} 17:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Programmer Dvorak (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Non-notable minimal variation on the Dvorak keyboard. All content on this page originates from the same user; notability not asserted. No keyboards are manufactured with this layout, and all google hits seem to be for the creator's site, Wikipedia content, forums, or blogs. Krimpet 03:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, Wikipedia is not for things made up in the engineers' bull-pen one day. --Dhartung | Talk 03:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete failing references showing this has gained some notability, I would say this is not for Wikipedia. HowIBecameCivil 19:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete; agree, we need third-party references asserting the notability of this layout; minor keyboard variants are ten-a-penny. Fourohfour 20:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per all above. /Blaxthos 23:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, gets hundreds of ghits[1]. Appears to have numerous mentions and reviews of it. Mathmo ^Talk 05:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Use those google hits to attribute the facts in the article and I will change my mind. HowIBecameCivil 05:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Discounting Wikipedia and DMOZ mirrors, I count 66 ghits. Either way though, none of those hits appear to be reliable sources we can use for attribution, just blogs and forums. And there's still the trump card in this case IMO, that no keyboards are manufactured with this layout. Krimpet 05:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Keyboards do not need to be "manufactured" with a specific keyboard layout in order for that layout to be used. All that is required is that a table in the computer memory or the disk file storing the table be changed, so that the value that is registered when a particular key on the keyboard is pressed is the value that the layout calls for. Given that this layout is designed to be easier for computer programmers to use, it's unlikely that anyone who would be inclined to use the layout would not know how to implement it. See Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard keyboard layout for a picture illustrating how people who use specialized keyboard layouts customize their keyboard keys with stickers to help them remember the layout.—Carolfrog 06:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ditto. I've used Dvorak off and on for years and NEVER considered buying a non-QWERTY keyboard. I dont care what the plastic says because I dont look at the keyboard when I type. Further, alternate layout keyboards are ridiculously expensive and you have almost no choice in the things you care about (extra function keys, clicky-ness, springy-ness, etc). These issues really matter to a person who is dorky enough to even consider an alternate layout, and someone that dorky who cares about the labels on the keys will probably just pop the keys off his favorite keyboard and reorder them. Whether there is a manufactured keyboard of this layout does not suggest notability in my mind. - grubber 16:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The Google hits do appear to indicate that this is not "just another layout" and that it is being used. The fact that no keyboards are manufactured doesn't really make sense to me, as i explain above.... - grubber 16:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.