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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn by UserVOBO Olaf Davis (talk) 16:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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This is simply a collection of random political information, much of it trivia, about political groups that happen to use the term "progressive" in their names. They have nothing necessarily in common with each other, so this isn't a suitable topic for an article UserVOBO (talk) 01:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or redirect to Progressivism in the United States. The American Progressive movement is the one most likely to be associated with the term "Progressivism." Everything else in the article is useless, since it doesn't refer to a unified movement or even a related group of ideas, but only to the effectively meaningless term "progressive." UserVOBO (talk) 02:39, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Progressivism in the United States, which appears to be the only other similarly named article. Maybe it could be a dab page (although to what else), but that would justify a delete and then re-creation. Shadowjams (talk) 03:43, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Neutral - Actually, given that this covers a broad range of countries, I'll reserve an opinion until there's more discussion. I'm concerned with overemphasis on "progressiveness", as a word within the title of a particular party, which might not be politically accurate, but for that level of detail there needs to be more discussion, and probably isn't a reason to delete unless the OR concerns overwhelm the article. Shadowjams (talk) 03:47, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - After the musings above, I don't see any compelling suggestion that there's an WP:OR problem here, or even a reason to prefer the U.S. version over the current version. While if forced to redirect the U.S. one is the most likely, the general discussion of the topic is preferable. Shadowjams (talk) 03:55, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - While many may come to this page in search of the "American" definition of progressivism, the difference between national US progressivism and woldwide progressivism is clearly outlined. Bottom line, this is a term used around the world, no question it deserves a page, whether the views are sometimes inconsistent from nation to nation or all encompassing is irrelevant. "Liberal" and "Conservative" ideologies are not entirely unified movements on an international scale either.
--Jackbirdsong (talk) 06:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The article's definition of Progressivism is, "Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform." That's obviously completely meaningless, but what proper definition could be substituted? I can't see any way in which this could be considered an encyclopedic subject. I don't believe for a moment that there are good sources which would suggest that "progressivism" has any recognised meaning whatever, except in the sense of specific movements (like the American Progressive movement) that happen to use that term. It's different from conservatism or liberalism, where there are also problems defining them, but which have at least some general concepts in common to give them meaning. Please reconsider. UserVOBO (talk) 07:25, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- This article's been around since 2002. There's hardly anything radical about it, and in its current incarnation it covers a broad range of "progressive" political parties. I have concerns about how that term applies across languages an cultures other than in the U.S., but I don't think that justifies deletion. Shadowjams (talk) 07:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Very well then. I'd like to see the article deleted, but I can see that's not going to happen, so nomination withdrawn. UserVOBO (talk) 07:54, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - This is a very informative article, and brings together the various examples of Progressivism from around the world. While it is still being defined in the US. This article leads the way in showing what progressivism is througout history and the world. The actual definition may need tweeking, as I believe progressivism promotes "transitioning to different political philosophies" however this all remains to be seen, and is clearly defined whith respect to progressivism not being a long term political philosophy. Please continue adding content, and history to the various progressive movements throughout the world.
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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