Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Punk Is a Rotting Corpse

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as not notable, even if it is real. Bearian (talk) 01:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Changed by an anon into an editorial that basically claimed that the mentioned tape does nto exist, but is a internet urban legend of sorts. I have reverted the editorial, but if this tape does indeed not exist, then there is no reason for the article to exist, unless maybe someone wants to rewrite as an encyclopedic article on the legend, instend of the non-existent tape. But for now, with no sourcing, and a outstanding claim that the subject is, at best, hoaxy, the current article should IMHO be deleted. TexasAndroid 15:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral. This is not a hoax: the album in question is mentioned on Napalm Death's official site, however its notability is definitely questionable. And there is something to be said about the fact a nearly two-year-old article has never been either sourced or tagged for lack of sources. --Blanchardb-Me^MyEars_MyMouth-timed 22:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello: I am responsible for the revision of the article on this non-existent recording. I added the change to the article because the information is erroneous, completely lacking in factual basis, based on hearsay and detrimental to a complete and authentic history of the early years of the group Napalm Death... Please delete it as you have no verifiable evidence that the tape ever existed, whereas I have articles dating from 1981, recordings from 1982 onwards, and other information in my personal archive (including being the composer of the song 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse' and in possession of the original document detailing the lyrics and music) which would tend to prove the lack of existence of such a recording... I have made a complete and accurate list of demo recordings by the band between 1982 and 1986 as part of the Discography section of the Napalm Death entry... The reason it is mentioned on Napalm Death's official website is that none of the current members of the band (who provide information for the 'official' website) know any correct information about the early years of the group (including demo recordings), particularly as none of them had heard of the group before 1986... I can be contacted through my website at www.monium.org.uk if this needs verifying... - - Nicholas Bullen (founder member of Napalm Death and composer of the song 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.171.115 (talk • contribs)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral/Comment A google search for the name of this EP does turn up a few different results, but nothing that is of major substance. One reference that I can find, from Answers.com references a tracklist from this particular EP; it is hard to believe that such a thing would exist for a non-existent recording. Seeing as there seems to be controversy over the existence of this one particular recording, it would infer some notability to this, and a modification that reflects such would be reasonable, if that would be sufficient reason to truly make the item notable.Aeternitas827 (talk) 07:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Never mind that reference; I completely missed the portion where it stated the information was retrieved from Wikipedia. That would make it irrelevant. I'm not finding anything else that would substantiate that tracklist so it does become a moot point, at that, but I do say the controversy, if it can be better documented, would give some notability.Aeternitas827 (talk) 07:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- As far as I can see, there is NO controversy to address. People who believe this tape exists are taking hearsay and 'chinese whispers' at face value, and presenting unverified Internet-based data as valid information. As the composer of the song, I resent having incorrect, erroneous and misleading information about my creativity displayed anywhere, including Wikipedia. I can provide information about the real demo casette recordings by Napalm Death as can the other founder member and original drummer (Miles Ratledge) with whom I am in regular contact. If anything, this 'debate' is a prime example of the fallibility of the Wikipedia model where erroneous information can become truth through repetition. All I want to know is: WHAT do I have to do to have this incorrect, misleading and information removed from this website (so that it also consequently does not get distributed further through the Internet)? Further discussion of this issue occurs at this website address: [1] - - - Nicholas Bullen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.73.49 (talk) 05:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you need to do? At the moment, really nothing. The deletion debate is still outstanding. So far we have me and effectively you saying to delete it, and several people commenting but neutral on the issue. No one has really argued yet to keep it. So hopefully, when the extended time on this runs out, our two opinions to delete it will carry the day with the closing admin. We shall see. But for now, there really is nothing for you to do. We are letting the proper process play out. If by some strange chance the debate is closed as a keep, then there are other avenues to pursue, including filing a complaint with the Foundation that administers things. But I really do not think it will come to that. And if it does, I will gladly show you where to go to do such further steps. - TexasAndroid (talk) 23:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, unless reliable, independent sources can be found. Sancho 23:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.