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The result was keep. Sandstein 21:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Rockdetector (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
website fails criteria at WP:WEB, article makes no assertions of why it is notable and a thorough search reveals no coverage in reliable sources. Appears to be the personal project of a small non-notable author.neon white talk 18:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Rockdetector has given its name to several books (listed in the article) that are related to the website, including the following: Rockdetector: A to Z of '80s Rock, A to Z of Doom and Gothic Metal, A to Z of Thrash Metal, The Rockdetector A to Z of Black Metal, The Rockdetector A to Z of Death Metal, A to Z of Power Metal, Ozzy Osbourne, and Rockdetector: "Black Sabbath": Never Say Die, all by Garry Sharpe-Young, who founded the website, and published by Cherry Red publishing. Doesn't sound like a small, non-notable author to me. Some significant coverage of the website in reliable sources would be good, though.--Michig (talk) 19:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no indication that the author is notable, he has no work published in journals, magazines or newspaper, is not quoted or cited in any known work, very little info in any sources. This is likely why he has no article himself therefore the website cannot inherit any notability from him. The books are published by a very small independent publisher. Regardless there is no criteria that says a website is notable because it has a number of equally non-notable books associated with it. --neon white talk 10:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- He writes books, not newspaper or magazine articles. He has had quite a few published and they have been reviewed. This article isn't about Sharpe-Young, though, and nobody has suggested that Rockdetector should inherit notability from him. There are, however, 3 Google scholar hits for him.--Michig (talk) 13:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep, owing to the website content being published by the independent, published-for-profit organisation Cherry Red. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- not a criteria for notability. see WP:WEB. books are not independent of the subject and an author is not notable simply by being published. --neon white talk 10:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Criterion 3 states The content is distributed via a medium which is both respected and independent of the creators (admittedly then specifying specifically online media); Cherry Red is certainly independent of the creators and respected. I'm not sure if this criterion applies to media likes books. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- not a criteria for notability. see WP:WEB. books are not independent of the subject and an author is not notable simply by being published. --neon white talk 10:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Rockdetector is the world's biggest rock database. You can see some sources about it here and here or the introduction of this. Some of those sources are from Blabbermouth, which is a website hosted by the record label Roadrunner Records. Rockdetector does not fail WP:WEB.-- LYKANTROP ✉ 09:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neither is a veriiable source. Blabbermouth is certainly not. In fact it all but admits as much in a disclaimer that it is "run and operated independently of Roadrunner Records. The accuracy of the information contained herein is neither confirmed nor guaranteed by Roadrunner". It fails WP:V and cannot be used as a source here. The same goes for http://metal-rules.com, absolutely no reputation or indication of verifiabily, what is needed are newspapers, magazines, industry journals etc not self published websites. --neon white talk 10:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't understand your explanation of how does blabbermouth fail WP:V. The quote does not really make it non-reliable (but post the source if possible, please).-- LYKANTROP ✉ 13:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Blabbermouth appears to be a professionally run website with content created by its staff. Being independent of Roadrunner Records makes it no less reliable. I don't see how it is less reliable than many of the world's newspapers, all of which would be accepted as "reliable sources".--Michig (talk) 14:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Roadrunner is certainly reliable; it is endorsed by Roadrunner Records (hosting it is a fairly large endorsement) but is clearly independent of them- the disclaimer makes that clear. J Milburn (talk) 08:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 100% agreed, but the disclaimer, which I guess is true, is however still unsourced.-- LYKANTROP ✉ 10:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Roadrunner is certainly reliable; it is endorsed by Roadrunner Records (hosting it is a fairly large endorsement) but is clearly independent of them- the disclaimer makes that clear. J Milburn (talk) 08:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep due to the sources currently cited. Blabbermouth is reliable, and Sharpe-Young (thanks to all those books) seems to be one of the few "experts" on heavy metal, which is certainly worth something. J Milburn (talk) 08:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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