Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rushop

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. $Salvio giuliano$ 06:41, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rushop

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How is this a village? It's not even a hamlet as far as I can see. Rushup Edge is a geographical feature, a ridge. There's Rushop Hall, an isolated house surrounded by fields. Some distance away there's a farm called Rushup Edge Farm. There are two other farms in the area: Coldwall Farm and Hillside Farm, but these and the other buildings I have mentioned are not clustered together in a way that forms a hamlet.

NB: No settlement with this name is shown on the OS map in this place, only the individual houses and farms listed above. Dubmill (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: United Kingdom and England. Dubmill (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:23, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Looking at the National Library of Scotland maps archive, OS maps did consistently label the area with Rushup Hall and Coldwall Farm (now Rushup Edge Farm) as Rushup from 1880 to 1955, even up to 1/2-inch scale; the name is gone by 1971. It doesn't look like it was ever much bigger than it is now. Adam Sampson (talk) 20:28, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~. It's a recognised hamlet, and it gives its name to the adjacent Rushup Edge and the lane that runs through it. It probably won't ever be more than a stub, but what are the grounds for deletion? What notability guideline is being applied? Dave.Dunford (talk)

I'm not sure how to answer that. You say it's recognised as a hamlet, but in what way? It doesn't appear on the OS map as a settlement. It's true that it does on older maps, but not current ones. That's pretty damning isn't it? Or do you regard the OS map as unreliable? Are there other examples of places defined on Wikipedia as settlements that don't appear on the map? (I suppose I can think of some London districts that are commonly thought of as places but don't appear on the map, like Manor House, for example, but does the same apply to rural areas?) You say it gives its name to Rushup Edge, but is that true? Couldn't it be the other way around?

Having said all that, I'm open to persuasion that I haven't thought this through properly, but at the very least it should be described as a hamlet, not a village. Dubmill (talk) 11:24, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. My source is local knowledge, I guess, but I was really just puzzled as to the rationale for deletion and wanted to check that there wasn't a guideline that I wasn't aware of for small settlements. It's definitely a legitimate settlement name. I agree that it shouldn't be referred to as a village (and I'll edit it to that effect). Dave.Dunford (talk) 11:32, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've expanded the article slightly. There is potentially more to say; for example, there are a couple of scheduled monuments (a ring cairn and a bowl barrow) nearby, mining remains, and also natural limestone potholes towards Perryfoot. Personally I think the article should be renamed Rushup, but that's a different debate. Alternatively, the article could be broadened to include Perryfoot (which is marked on the OS map, but doesn't have its own article). Dave.Dunford (talk) 11:53, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Further update: I've had a look in the article history, and the editor who first created it was an anon IP with a checkered history, to say the least; the original article talked about the village church of St Cuthbert, which definitely doesn't exist (ironically it was me that removed this claim in 2020). I think there's still a case for an article about Perryfoot, which could include Rushup. Dave.Dunford (talk) 12:47, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just a reminder incase you weren't already aware, local knowledge doesn't count for notability, or as a reference, though I understand you are just using it to justify your comments

ere Wikipedia article criteria don't applyh

GeekBurst (talk) 00:23, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merge to Chapel-en-le-Frith. There are already sections in that article for Combs and Dove Holes, so it wouldn't be intrusive to add a new section for Rushup and move over what's worth keeping from here (which probably wouldn't include the uncited and speculative stuff about the pre-Roman settlement). Dave.Dunford (talk)

I'm not sure. I think the edits you've made to the existing article are good, and based on there being a small cluster of buildings in the vicinity of Rushop Hall, perhaps it just about reaches the threshold of a hamlet, despite the anomaly of it not being mentioned as one on the OS map. I had thought it was just Rushop Hall there, plus a few ancillary buildings associated with the Hall, but perhaps it's more than that. There does appear to be a farm of some sort on the other side of the lane.

I'm happy to either continue improving the existing article or merge it into Chapel-en-le-Frith, as you propose. I think I jumped the gun a bit in proposing deleting it, but I was just very surprised to see it called a village, yet see no evidence of it on the OS map. Dubmill (talk) 14:44, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 00:27, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Upgrading my comment to Keep based on Dave.Dunford's improvements. It was named on the OS maps for 75 years, it's still an inhabited place, and there seem to be enough sources about it to make for a reasonable article. I did wonder if it might originally have been a township, i.e. a subdivision of the large C-en-le-F parish? I'd also agree with renaming it to Rushup, since that seems to be the more common spelling. Adam Sampson (talk) 01:31, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 01:07, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.