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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 02:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- SPEAR System (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Non notable martial arts organisation, look like an advert, almost a speedy.
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. -- Nate1481 14:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. -- Nate1481 14:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete has some name recognition in martial arts--I knew this was Tony Blauer's approach before opening the article's page--but no evidence of wider notability. Written with lots of ad-hype of dubious merit. Is Tony Blauer notable? I don't know but I lean toward Yes [1], [2], [3], [4]. If so, redirecting to a page created for him would be reasonable. JJL (talk) 15:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Definately needs some help and some more sources, but they system itself is notable as a departure from the traditional defensive tactics and because it's being used by a wide range or agencies. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, a notable form of self defence, especially as it's being taken up by the British police replacing the LINE method most forces use. I've trimmed the article so it contains the bare (but notable) bones, it does need expansion though. For some reason, I can't get the 'See also' and 'References' headers to appear in the article though. --Factorylad (talk) 17:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Commment there was a missing </ref> tag. Does [5] mean that U.K. LEOs are actually being trained in this system, or that it's approved for some type of optional, additional training? JJL (talk) 22:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Thanks for that. I was hoping to find something on ACPO's website as that would be a better reference, however there isn't anything. The SPEAR System is being introduced to all police services in England & Wales to replace current the Personal Defence Training, which takes most of it's influence from the outdated LINE system and will roll out from 2009. --Factorylad (talk) 22:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment a good reference verifying that fact would certainly change me to a keep. JJL (talk) 15:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Thanks for that. I was hoping to find something on ACPO's website as that would be a better reference, however there isn't anything. The SPEAR System is being introduced to all police services in England & Wales to replace current the Personal Defence Training, which takes most of it's influence from the outdated LINE system and will roll out from 2009. --Factorylad (talk) 22:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Commment there was a missing </ref> tag. Does [5] mean that U.K. LEOs are actually being trained in this system, or that it's approved for some type of optional, additional training? JJL (talk) 22:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Qualifies as being notable for inclusion. Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs)☺ 15:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I have reffed what I can from the official website. Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs)☺ 15:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- comment [6] That isn't an official site, its one publishing a press release --Nate1481 15:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, sorry. But it still acts as a reference, considering it is a press release. Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs)☺ 15:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No probs, just thought I'd clarify, seen to many arts claim police training etc, with no grounds but quick google lends support. Oddly I can't find a cosponsoring ACPO release which is a little odd. the UK police are often unervinglly media savy. --Nate1481 15:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, sorry. But it still acts as a reference, considering it is a press release. Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs)☺ 15:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- comment [6] That isn't an official site, its one publishing a press release --Nate1481 15:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I have reffed what I can from the official website. Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs)☺ 15:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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